[raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
- From: Gregory Osborne <Gregory.Osborne@xxxxxx>
- To: "raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 18:23:36 +0000
I understand on replying off list. Feel free.
I'm sorry, I should have been clearer.
The Makefile will spew out a fair bit of garbage when it fails, but if you look
up several lines, up above the message about error 2 or ... I'm probably not
stating this right. I'm not at home to refer to it... Let me try stating it
something like this to put it in context or make it make sense...
As it's compiling, you'll see as you read down and everything is going well,
normal things. Then, you'll get a message about a file/folder which ends in .o
- an object file that can't be compiled.
It will produce some form of error something along the lines of makefile recipe
failed for fs/ocfs2.o: cannot create target. Stopped.
Then you'll get more garbage all of which you can ignore. The important line is
the one about that file that ends in .o. The object file is almost always
associated with a corresponding .c file of the same name in the same folder.
So, if you find the line that gives you the partial folder/file reference, then
copy what it gives you, put a * on the front, replace the .o with either .c or
.* and do the unzip.
E.G. fs/ocfs2.o cannot be created, unzip linux_rpi-3.10.y.zip *fs/ocfs2.c or
*fs/cfs2.*
Thankfully, you'll only have to do this once to maybe three times to fix this
problem. No clue why this was an issue with the zip file.
Let me know if I can help further or need to try to clarify more. If this is
still confusing, paste your error output and I'll help you figure it out.
-----Original Message-----
From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Ray
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:10 PM
To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
Hello Greg,
I'm replying now off-list because there are probably a few folks getting bored
now.
This error was opened as an issue a couple of years ago. It looks like it's a
github problem:
https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/34
I have to admit I can't see where you are getting the names of the files which
are missing. I just get an error message after a load of C code is output into
the file which I capture.
And when I use the .tar.gz from the github site I get the compile error with no
indication as to which file(s) if any, are missing.
This is beginning to drive me a bit mad.
Mike
On 08/01/2014 17:08, Gregory Osborne wrote:
> Mike,
> I was trying to type the message from my phone and from memory last night, so
> I told you slightly wrong, and I apologize, but that is the same message /
> error I was trying to tell you about. So, most of the files / path have
> extracted. You'll find only one or two files or so have not for whatever
> reason.
>
> If you'll proceed like normal, when you do the knl_build and it gives you the
> make error recipe fails - can't create target <file>.o then just unzip
> *<file>.c or *<file>.* and it will get the file(s) that are missing in place
> and you can continue on.
>
> Like I said, I only had maybe three files missing at most. I think maybe as
> few as one. It shouldn't be any problem. I recompiled the source last night
> on my own machine with no problems other than the one we're discussing here -
> and this helped to fix it as it did previously for me.
>
> - Greg
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 10:58 AM
> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
>
> Hello Greg,
>
> When I try to extract that zip it tells me there is an error because a
> symlink file name is too long.
>
> I think this is a different error than the one you got?
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 08/01/2014 14:44, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>> Sorry Mike,
>> It appears to have uploaded now at
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dmxnh5wljn59fnk/linux-rpi-3.10.y.zip
>>
>> If you have any further problems let me know.
>>
>> - Greg
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:03 AM
>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
>>
>>
>> Sorry Greg, that link is broken. I get a 404.
>>
>> On 08/01/2014 07:27, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/89051403/linux-rpi-3.10.y.zip
>>>
>>>
>>> You're more than welcome I hope this proves of some assistance I
>>> know I appreciate a everything that you're doing for us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Osborne: AI4HA <ai4ha@xxxxxx>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Michael A Ray <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Greg,
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think of such an error. When I unzipped the archive I
>>>> didn't collect the output messages. I will do it again and this
>>>> time inspect the output to see if there is a problem extracting something.
>>>>
>>>> That would certainly make the target fail.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the coming zip.
>>>>
>>>> This is all a bit fiddly but it's all extra knowledge and fun :)
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 05:04, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>>>> gives an error about The kernel code is currently uploading and I
>>>>> will have a link where you can download it posted shortly
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been working with it again some tonight and I'd forgotten
>>>>> that there was an error that I had to resolve when I worked with
>>>>> it previously
>>>>>
>>>>> When I unzip the source code I encountered the error too many
>>>>> layers of symbolic links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What this effectively means is that a couple of files are being
>>>>> left out of the source tree and when I try to build the source
>>>>> it's going to give errors similar to what you encountered
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why this didn't ring a bell with me is because the errors and the files
>>>>> that it produced were different from the ones that you mentioned door
>>>>> showed in your snippets him but to resolve it is very easy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the file or error produced is FS/OCFS2.O cannot be made or the
>>>>> make rule cannot produce that file then what you do is unzip
>>>>> FS/OCFS2.C from the makefile again and prepended with an asterisk
>>>>> so that the file extracts properly into the source tree
>>>>>
>>>>> E.g.G *fs/ocfs2.c
>>>>> <ai4ha@xxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 10:24 PM, Rill <starbasecafe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be cleaner for Gregg to send you a link from his dropbox
>>>>>> folder or similar service. You can download the file from there.
>>>>>> Rill
>>>>>>> On 1/7/2014 6:45 PM, Mike Ray wrote:
>>>>>>> Yep, can you drop it into dropbox or something? That would be
>>>>>>> great. I think they may have been fiddling with the Makefile since you
>>>>>>> grabbed it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rill...can you send Greg an invite to the raspberryvi DropBox folder?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 00:41, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> I was wrong I still have a copy of the three. 10. Why source
>>>>>>>> code if you want it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greg Osborne: AI4HA <ai4ha@xxxxxx> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Mike Ray <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's no 'oracle' string in my .config
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 07/01/2014 22:34, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> If google is telling the truth, it is configuring the Oracle
>>>>>>>>>> Cluster File System v2 You might try de-configuring that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 4:22 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've modified my kernel build scripts since that run to give more
>>>>>>>>>> info in the output, so I am just about to try it again and see what
>>>>>>>>>> more data I get.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I must admit I hadn't considered it might be one of the modules
>>>>>>>>>> (just the SpeakUp modules) since the target is in the top-level
>>>>>>>>>> Makefile.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Luckily it only takes my Arch machine 15 minutes to compile a kernel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/01/2014 22:14, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't do enough with the kernel to know that much from the
>>>>>>>>>>> output, obviously it's saying you have a problem with a module you
>>>>>>>>>>> have selected to be compiled in. I'm guessing it may be a file
>>>>>>>>>>> system module from the fs, feedback given in the output, but that's
>>>>>>>>>>> a deduction that may be erroneous. Probably more helpful to see
>>>>>>>>>>> what else is in that same folder with the failing .c / .o file. You
>>>>>>>>>>> might can figure out what that module is and then de-select it and
>>>>>>>>>>> try re-compiling the kernel.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
>>>>>>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:57 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the last part of the output from my kernel build script:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --snip
>>>>>>>>>>> LD [M] fs/ocfs2/dlm/ocfs2_dlm.o
>>>>>>>>>>> LD fs/built-in.o
>>>>>>>>>>> Makefile:130: recipe for target 'sub-make' failed
>>>>>>>>>>> make: *** [sub-make] Error 2 Tue 7 Jan 03:43:12 GMT 2014
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As you can see from the timestamp, I've gone all nocturnal
>>>>>>>>>>> again :(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/01/2014 20:43, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I just realized I forgot to answer the other part of your
>>>>>>>>>>>> question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was 3.10.y I think as it showed up on the download, but in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> configure script it showed the full 3.10.X 19? 25? I forget...
>>>>>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will see if I can't find it and confirm it is a working source
>>>>>>>>>>>> tonight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Ray
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you remember where you pulled the kernel source from for 3.10?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And was it 3.10.y or 3.10.25?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is an error in the top-level Makefile which I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I can find no way of fixing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It might come down to where I pulled the source from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/01/2014 19:15, Gregory Osborne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm glad to hear you've made so much progress. I've been quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for exactly the other reason. I had compiled up both a 3.6.9 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 3.10.19? kernel both of which were running stable on my Pi but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the latency issue. No matter what I did in either kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> config, the latency issues remained, so I went on to trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find some other solution. Since, as you've pointed out, pulse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio documentation is poor, I felt like I was chacing my tail
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with it. It appeared you needed X or another graphical user
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface to have it run, and then on my debian system, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually got it to run, but the trick to get it to run was to add
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hooks into the pulse audio configuration to tell it to use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying alsa system! So, that would be useless, I felt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After that, I went to edit my espeakup.service file and add nice
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -11 or something similar to see if preceeding the espeakup
>>>>>>>>>>>>> program would make it run better. I did notice pulse audio has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> configurations for both niceness and real time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as I touched that file and rebooted, all the stability
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left my system. The Pi started the random lock up issues. I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking it out and rebooting. No luck. Reimaged the card and put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the kernels and modules back on there (both sets at different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times) - no luck. So even though I followed the same steps I took
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before, I couldn't reproduce the results I had. Just craziness. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did and do have speech-up compiled, but haven't gotten any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> further with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point to all this is, I know there is a 3.10.x kernel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> floating out there that is stable, but once I lost the ability to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> boot my system reliably and couldn't reproduce the system after a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few attempts, I changed the debian system over to arch, so I no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer have the kernel source or I'd offer to send it your way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess this is as much an update on my end as anything, and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goodluck to you!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Ray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello list,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I currently have a problem which I am struggling to solve with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new Accessible Arch image.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The currently stable kernel source tree from the Foundation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.10.y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Previously I had been working with 3.6.y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately there is an error making the kernel compilation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fail which I can't currently solve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I may have to release the image with a 3.6.y kernel instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.10.y.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope this will make little difference and I am hoping that a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple 'pacman -Syu' will then get the newer kernel and not wipe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out SpeakUp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their
>>>>>>>>>>>> names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>>>>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their
>>>>>>>>>>> names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>>>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their
>>>>>>>>>> names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
>>>>>>>>>> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>>>>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>>>>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their names
>>>>>>>>> are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
>>>>>>>>> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>>>>>>>>>
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>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>
>> I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their names are
>> What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
>> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>>
>> Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi?
>> Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/
>>
>> From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi
>> hackers
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>> Foundation.
>>
>> This list is not affiliated to the Raspberry Pi Foundation and the views and
>> attitudes expressed by the subscribers to this list do not reflect those of
>> the Foundation.
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> Mike Ray, list creator, January 2013
>>
>
> --
> Michael A. Ray
> Analyst/Programmer
> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>
> I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their names are
> What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
> -- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
>
> Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi?
> Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/
>
> From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi
> hackers
>
> ===========================================================
> The raspberry-vi mailing list
> Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/raspberry-vi
> Administrative contact: <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Raspberry Pi and the Raspberry Pi logo are trademarks of the Raspberry Pi
> Foundation.
>
> This list is not affiliated to the Raspberry Pi Foundation and the views and
> attitudes expressed by the subscribers to this list do not reflect those of
> the Foundation.
>
> Mike Ray, list creator, January 2013
>
> ===========================================================
> The raspberry-vi mailing list
> Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/raspberry-vi
> Administrative contact: <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Raspberry Pi and the Raspberry Pi logo are trademarks of the Raspberry Pi
> Foundation.
>
> This list is not affiliated to the Raspberry Pi Foundation and the views and
> attitudes expressed by the subscribers to this list do not reflect those of
> the Foundation.
>
> Mike Ray, list creator, January 2013
>
--
Michael A. Ray
Analyst/Programmer
Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
I KEEP six honest serving-men, They taught me all I know. Their names are What
and Why and When and How and Where and Who.
-- Rudyard Kipling (paraphrased)
Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi?
Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/
From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers
===========================================================
The raspberry-vi mailing list
Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/raspberry-vi
Administrative contact: <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Raspberry Pi and the Raspberry Pi logo are trademarks of the Raspberry Pi
Foundation.
This list is not affiliated to the Raspberry Pi Foundation and the views and
attitudes expressed by the subscribers to this list do not reflect those of the
Foundation.
Mike Ray, list creator, January 2013
===========================================================
The raspberry-vi mailing list
Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/raspberry-vi
Administrative contact: <mike.ray@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
-----------------------------------------------------------
Raspberry Pi and the Raspberry Pi logo are trademarks of the Raspberry Pi
Foundation.
This list is not affiliated to the Raspberry Pi Foundation and the views and
attitudes expressed by the subscribers to this list do not reflect those of the
Foundation.
Mike Ray, list creator, January 2013
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