[raspberry-vi] Re: Welcome Phil
- From: Rill <starbasecafe@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:02:41 -0500
I just put together a blog post on how to enable (and disable) audio
indentation with emacspeak. The blog is at
http://www.raspberryvi.org/rill. Rill
On 8/23/2013 1:13 PM, Agent Orange wrote:
> I knew there was a good reason why Python would be difficult! :)
>
> It's great that Emacspeak announces the number of indentations on the line
> before reading the text; this is a very good reason to start using it.
>
> At the moment, until my Pi arrives and I can get working on it, I am writing
> Python code using an editor called Notepad++ in Win XP, and then executing
> the code at the Windows PowerShell command prompt. I've tried getting my
> screen reader, JAWS, to read out the tabs at the start of the line in
> Notepad++, but without success. It just ignores them unless I actually
> cursor over them.
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Ray
> Sent: 23 August 2013 17:08
> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Welcome Phil
>
> Hello,
>
> One of the things to bear in mind when starting out with Python is the fact
> that it is a language that uses whitespace indentation to define structure.
>
> Unlike a language like C, which has blocks of code grouped by curly braces,
> Python just relies on leading whitespace.
>
> This is a fact that can make it very difficult for a blind programmer to
> follow program structure.
>
> The Python style-guides will tell you that spaces should be used for this
> leading whitespace but in my experience most editors will not speak anything
> when it encounters this space.
>
> So I use tabs insted of spaces. Then a line of code with a leading tab is
> spoken as 'tab etc' and counting the number of tabs should make the
> structure obvious.
>
> I don't know offhand whether nano or Emacs can be made to utter these
> leading tabs.
>
> Mike
>
> On 23/08/2013 02:30, Rill wrote:
>> Hi Phil, I live in Wisconsin in the US. I wondered if the background
>> noises would cause a problem, too, but it was a thought. I'll check
>> out the tutorial and fiddle with working the exercises in emacs. I
>> have no sense of which flavor of python is which. lol. Rill On
>> 8/22/2013 3:46 PM, Agent Orange wrote:
>>> Hi Rill,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your interest. I hadn't thought about the possibility of
>>> controlling the Pi using speech input. It's certainly an interesting
> idea.
>>> Whether or not it is practical may depend on the quality of speech
>>> recognition, the quality of the mic, and the level of background
>>> noise on the deck of a boat - it's often rather noisy on the deck of
>>> a boat what with noise from wind, waves and crew shouting to each
>>> other. Perhaps others have some experience they could share?
>>>
>>> If you're interested in learning Python, here are some resources I
>>> have recently found which might get you started:
>>>
>>> The Python Wiki:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide/NonProgrammers
>>>
>>> The official Python Download page:
>>>
>>> http://www.python.org/getit/
>>>
>>> A set of tutorials called "Learn Python The Hard Way" - this teaches
>>> Python v2.x not v3.x and so far (I'm only on exercise 3) it seems
>>> fairly accessible using a screen reader:
>>>
>>> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
>>>
>>> I'm not sure where you are based, but in the UK there are several
>>> places which can help you to learn to sail if you are blind. This is
>>> OT for this list, but get in touch with me off list if you'd like to know
> more.
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rill
>>> Sent: 22 August 2013 14:49
>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Re: Welcome Phil
>>>
>>> Hi Phil, this sounds like a fascinating and ambitious project. I
>>> don't know any python either, I have done some programming and, if
>>> circumstances permit, I could learn along with you. That would help
>>> debugging and problem solving. At one time I wanted to learn how to
>>> sail. Would there any be reason to be able to speak to the pi/compass?
>>> I found an article and video recently where someone controlled their
>>> lights with the pi (not a blind person).
>>> Rill
>>> On 8/22/2013 12:11 AM, Agent Orange wrote:
>>>> Thanks for the introduction, Mike.
>>>>
>>>> As Mike says, I am helping out on a project which has produced a
>>>> talking compass for use by blind sailors. Currently the compass is
>>>> built using Arduino and the speech is produced using a SpeechJet chip.
>>>> This requires every word spoken to be coded up phoneme by phoneme.
>>>> The arduous nature of this work limits the vocabulary which can be
>>>> used. It also makes providing multi lingual support difficult.
>>>>
>>>> The current Arduino incarnation of the compass is already in use by
>>>> quite a number of blind people who sail, and there is a significant
>>>> amount of interest in it from non-English speaking countries. There
>>>> are also various ideas for expanding what it can do. It already has
>>>> a variety of modes of operation but there is more which could be
>>>> done with more powerful software and processing capabilities.
>>>> Unfortunately, we have pushed Arduino to it's limits and so we are
>>>> unable realistically to develop it much further without a
>>>> significant
>>> change.
>>>> So I have suggested rebuilding the device around a Pi, and using
>>>> this as the core of a new talking compass which uses an existing
>>>> Linux based speech engine to provide the spoken output. This will
>>>> involve a lot of work in terms of building the electronics and
>>>> writing the software, but for now, I am focusing on trying to get a
>>>> Pi talking from boot to demonstrate the viability of the speech
>>>> capabilities of this
>>> idea.
>>>> It is intended to develop the software using Python, so I am also
>>>> hoping to be able to obtain some speech accessible Python
>>>> development tools, libraries, etc, for use on the Pi (I rely on
>>>> speech support as I can't see a screen).
>>>>
>>>> Now to the hard bit - although this sounded like a great idea when I
>>>> came up with it, I know very little about Linux, nothing about
>>>> Raspberry Pis and even less about coding in Python! So I'm sure I
>>>> will be coming to the list for help from time to time.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:raspberry-vi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Ray
>>>> Sent: 21 August 2013 13:01
>>>> To: raspberry-vi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [raspberry-vi] Welcome Phil
>>>>
>>>> Hello list,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to welcome Phil to the list.
>>>>
>>>> Phil is a friend from another email list here in the UK for disabled
>>>> radio amateurs. Phil has some ideas for a specific project to do
>>>> with the
>>> Pi.
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Michael A. Ray
>>>> Analyst/Programmer
>>>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>>>
>>>> Don't just sit there, learn something
>>>>
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> Analyst/Programmer
> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>
> Don't just sit there, learn something
>
> Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi?
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>
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