[sib-access] Re: Sibelius 6 and future developments
- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:55:41 -0700
Tim,
Thanks for the extra tips. Yes, I'm not going to mess with anything
important. It's first going to be a test of one of my more problematic
scores to see how well the magnetic layout feature works. Apparently the
demo version will print, even if it won't save.
Also I notice that the default sound output for the Sib 6 demo version only
points to MS wavetable, and for some reason mine has never worked on my DAW.
So if I want to listen I have to (each time I start) add one of my hardware
synths to the active list. And the new playback configuration cannot be
saved. Oh, well.
Another item I'd love to try is the chord input from the MIDI keyboard.
Later for all that.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 08:58
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Sibelius 6 and future developments
Dave,
You're going to have very limited success with the keypads, as there's an
additional keypad in Sibelius 6 and the current Sibelius Access code just
won't handle it (as it doesn't expect it to be there). A lot of dialogs
were also custom-scripted for Sibelius 5 and may protest in the newer
version. Obviously, we're interested in your experiment, but would advise
extreme caution if you're working on any files that are important to you.
Best wishes.
Tim Burgess
Raised Bar Ltd
Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at
http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: 01 June 2009 14:11
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Sibelius 6 and future developments
George,
Okay, I knew that. However I would expect that JAWS out of the box would
give more speech than nothing at all when I move along the notes in the
score.
Since the Sib 6 demo used "sibelius.exe" as the executable and JAWS was
loading a default configuration, I believed that a set of scripts was
missing.
So I created a set of script files from all the "Sibelius5xxxx.xxx" from
sib-access and named them all "sibeliusxxx.xxx" (eliminated the number 5 in
each).
I have a whole heck of a lot more speaking going on now, which is all I
wanted for the time being.
Interesting that the keypad and properties windows are crashing into each
other and it complains about that, so I'll have to get some sighted help to
move one of them away from the other.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 02:23
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Sibelius 6 and future developments
Hi Dave,
Sibelius Access will not work with the demo versions of Sibelius.
There was a thread about this late April which I've copied below.
George.
To be exact (or pedantic), the demo version of Sibelius does allow you
to run plug-ins but it does not allow the saving of any files. This
means that the plug-ins cannot write the files which Sibelius Access
needs.
Sorry,
Dan Rugman
visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and
home of Sibelius Access.
www.musicaccess.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 26 April 2009 16:51
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: can Sibelius access work with Sibelius 5.25
english demo?
Hi Roy,
Sibelius Access will not work with the Demo of Sibelius. This is due
to the fact that the Sibelius Demo does not include access to the Plug
In facilities. Rather sad, but that's the way Sibelius do it.
George.
-----Original Message-----
From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: 31 May 2009 21:38
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: Sibelius 6 and future developments
Dan,
I downloaded the Sib 6 demo to start in with trying things out. I see
that I
can print scores after importing, so right away I would expect to be
able to
benefit from the new magnetic layout. As you suggested, do the work in
5 and
then import into 6 for printing.
Now for the question: I get no JAWS feedback at all with the Sib 6
demo. The
executable is "sibelius.exe" but the JAWS default scripts load. Any
hints on
what I need to do to make Sib 6 demo work better than what it's doing
now --
which is no speech at all. Yes, I do know that I wont get the same
benefits
as with Sib-Access 5 but shouldn't Sibelius 6 demo work like the
Sibelius 5
with the Sib-Access scripts disabled?
What scripts do I need to load, and where do I load them?
Thanks.
Dave
work as though it was
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Rugman" <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 4:29 AM
Subject: [sib-access] Sibelius 6 and future developments
Hi all,
I'm sure that most of you will be curious about Sibelius 6 and the
future of
Sibelius Access, so I'll take a moment to discuss this in detail.
There are some very exciting new developments in Sibelius 6, one of
which is
of particular importance to us visually impaired users, but I'll
address the
issue of future updates first.
I'm now renaming the existing scripts Sibelius Access 5 so as to clear
up
any confusion over version numbers. You will not be able to use
Sibelius
Access 5 with Sibelius 6 since there are several significant changes
which
the scripts will not accommodate.
Sibelius Access 5 must be completed before I can even start looking at
scripting Sibelius 6. You may question the wisdom of continuing work
on what
is now an out of date product but there are reasons why this has to be
done.
The obvious reason is that some people will not make the upgrade for a
while
(especially schools and universities who usually take a long time
before
upgrading) and so Sibelius Access 5 needs to be completed for them
alone.
The other is to ensure that blind musicians have a good and workable
solution. This can be done far more quickly by completing the support
for
Sibelius 5 rather than starting work on Sibelius 6. (Sibelius Software
have
ensured us that you will still be able to purchase Sibelius 5 through
your
local distributors or by contacting Sibelius directly.)
Given all of this, I can make no comments about Sibelius Access 6
other than
to say that I hope to be able to provide a solution in the future.
So what about Sibelius 6 itself? As I said there are some very
exciting new
features, one of which is a major break through for visually impaired
musicians - but more on that later.
There's a very nice "live tempo" feature, which lets you record the
tempo
for the entire score by tapping a key as though you were conducting
the
piece. You can use it to shape the tempo in the same way that a click
track
is used, except that this rather nifty gadget will follow you even if
you
start tapping half notes instead of quarter notes.
The keypad now has 6 layouts. The new layout includes arpeggio lines
which
automatically snap to the chords and properly line up with the top and
bottom notes. There are also some jazz articulations for falls, plops
and
doits.
The symbols dialog has been completely rewritten so that you can use
the
arrow keys to select the symbol in the grid. The name of the symbol is
also
displayed as you arrow around and if you set JAWS to say all you'll be
able
to hear which symbol is selected. This in itself is a big win for VI
users
because JAWS is no longer guessing which symbol is selected.
Chord symbols are also much easier. You can now create the chord
symbol by
playing in the chord directly. You just create the chord symbol using
the
old keystroke and then play the chord on a MIDI keyboard and Sibelius
will
work out the symbol for you.
And now for the big reveal!
The really exciting new feature is called magnetic layout. To put it
simply,
the score now lays itself out automatically. If you add a dynamic it
will be
positioned so that it does not collide with any other items. In fact,
the
whole score works like this, even the staves themselves. So if a very
high
note on one staff collides with a very low note on the staff above,
the
staves themselves will move apart to make room for them.
It's very hard to find the right words to describe the way in which
Sibelius
6 will affect the way in which we work. I've received so many
enquiries over
the years about how blind users can ensure that a score looks right
for
sighted musicians. The answer now is that you don't have to do
anything -
Sibelius does it for you. Sibelius say that "it may be the greatest
revolution in music engraving in 20 years" but I think that most
visually-impaired musicians who have to prepare print scores will say
that
this is a modest statement.
Of course there are limits. If you put too many things in one place
then
Sibelius will not be able to resolve the collisions, and you can never
account for every possible scoring situation. The important point is
that
you now only need a sighted user to quickly check the score for things
that
Sibelius couldn't position properly, instead of needing them to
carefully
format the entire score for you.
In case some of you are doubtful of this features reliability, you can
read
more at
http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/6/magnetic_layout.html
I know that some of you will be thinking about buying Sibelius 6 just
to get
at this new feature alone, especially those of you who have to
regularly
produce scores for players and there is nothing to stop you doing so.
Sibelius Access has already been setup so that the scripts will only
load
when version 5.2.5 is running. In all other cases the default JAWS
scripts
will be available so you don't have to worry about Sibelius Access
itself
causing problems in Sibelius 6.
Speaking for myself, I am now preparing scores in Sibelius 5, which
has good
feedback and accessibility, and then opening them in Sibelius 6 so
that I
can run them through the magnetic layout and print it.
You can read more about Sibelius 6 at
http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/6/index.html
I hope this answers some of your questions. I have no objections to
people
discussing using Sibelius 6 without scripts but please remember that
the
list is really for discussing Sibelius Access which only supports
Sibelius
5. I'd also ask that you refrain from asking me when Sibelius 6 will
be
supported since I've already said all that I can.
Dan Rugman
visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and
home of
Sibelius Access.
www.musicaccess.co.uk
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