Decades ago I worked at, and at one point managed, the largest bird banding operation in the United States. Overall, our mortality rate was nowhere near 10% but rather between 1-3% depending on the season, yet because we were processing so many birds that percentage translated into many seemingly unnecessary deaths. Occasionally, we would also find dead birds with our bands and wonder if our albeit brief treatment of them in some way contributed to their deaths (in a few cases we were convinced of this). And I will never forget the day that a storm suddenly drenched our operation such that from some of the nets only dead birds were removed. I have heard similar stories from other banders over the years and I am unconvinced of the scientific merits of many banding projects. I did not go on to become a biologist and I now hold a Ph.D. in sociology from the Univ. of Chicago, but when I conduct research on human subjects (I work on human morbidity and mortality in the field of social epidemiology) I do so only when I have a well-defined research project of putative scientific value. To indiscriminately study human subjects without a demonstrably credible research plan would be highly unprofessional. What about our infra-human subjects? Banders may hope or believe that even though they themselves are not going to make use of their banding data that at some point in the future someone else will benefit from them. However, my ornithology colleagues tell me that for the majority of species in the U.S. banding data are not scientifically valuable--most of what can be learned is already known. I am not opposed to banding or even collecting (biologists are routinely licensed to collect birds for research projects), but banders may want to consider the ethical issue of whether their banding practices are really contributing to knowledge and if there are not less obtrusive methods of obtaining the same information. Chris Sloan's hummer project would seem to have merit because so little is known about these wayward winter birds. My concern is that despite the best intentions not all banding operations have the same scientific value. Kevin Breault Professor, Middle Tennessee State University kbreault@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Nashville, TN =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net Owner: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx (423) 764-3958 =========================================================