Carol Reese Ornamental Horticulture Specialist -Western District University of Tennessee Extension Service 605 Airways Blvd. Jackson TN 38301 731 425 4721 email jreese5@xxxxxxx So Latin is "pretentious, stuck-up, snobby, and elitist"? Is it truly language "that only scientists can understand"? As a horituculturist, I often use Latin names when referring to plants, so I do agree with the statement that it can "instantly alienate people", which has always mystified me. Why do some people react with such hostility and resentment to such an accurate, and beautiful way of describing living things and and defining their relationships? Why am I seen as snobby because I bothered to learn something so useful, even downright necessary? For example, when I first moved to Tennessee (from Mississippi), someone asked me a question about his yellowbells. I had no idea what plant he was talking about and received disgusted looks and disparaging comments about my horticultural knowledge. After some discussion and some pretty poor (I thought) descriptions of the plant, it turned out he was talking about he common-as-dirt shrub I knew as forsythia. No wonder this person thought I didn't know anything! In my defense, I had never known anyone who called it yellowbells. To further the confusion, someone at work a few days later started talking about yellowbells, wanting to know when she could dig the bulbs and move them. She was talking about her daffodils! So you can see why I might insist on defining the plant by its proper name, while trying not to arch my brow when I ask, "Do you mean forsythia or narcissus"? I just want clarity. Common names vary from region to region, even from family to family. Besides, Latin is often easy and highly informative, if not downright entertaining. What is there to hate about the name Mimus polyglottus, and how is that hard to understand or any less coloful than its common name? Even without a Latin dictionary at hand, surely this means "mimics many voices", surely no less colorful than the name mockingbird. Granted, they aren't all that easy, but still, a bit of research often yields delightful bits of lore. Take the American bittern's Latin name Botaurus lentiginosus. I read somewhere that the genus name means something like "roars like a bull" (which may be somewhat off, though bulls sometimes make a coughing sound that might be somewhat similar) but the species name means "very freckled" which is very apt. Look at these other names and tell me which is more colorful, the American or the Latin name. Eastern kingbird, Tyrannus tyrannus - the cruelest and most severe of the cruel and severe rulers. House wren, Troglodytes aedon - songstress who burrows in a hole: Bluejay, Cyanocitta cristata - dark blue crested: Pileated woodpecker, Dyrocopus pileatus -striking a tree while wearing a cap. Surely these Latin names are worthy of admiration both for their beauty and for their aim, since it is difficult, nearly impossible to diffentiate and label the vast numbers of plants and animals into discreet categories. Mother nature's constant process of evolution makes the work precarious at best, and even "lumpers" will have to become "splitters" at some point in the scale of time. I find it touching that humans have such desire to make sense of the world of nature, and surely it is born of love. If you know of a better system than the current system of taxonomy and using Latin for its constancy, let's hear it. One more point. No one gets upset when I talk about Magnolia, Hydrange, or Viburnum, yet these are the proper Latin names for these plants. Likewise, with vireo, or parula, no one gets upset. There is nothing about these names being Latin that makes them inherently difficult to understand or pronounce. The only barrier might be a lack of willingness to become familiar with them. In the meantime, when someone comes out with a Latin term, it might behoove one to consider it commendable, rather than contemptible. 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