I lurk on a couple of ornithological discussion groups, one of which is run by Van Remsen at LSU. There was recently some discussion on James Peters work of 50 years ago in which he was the dean of lumping, to which Van Remsen responded with a bit of historical background on the lumping-splitting cycle, and then expressed concern about the current vogue of using DNA as ultimate arbiter of species status, on which he concluded with the following: "on the ancient problem of whether two allopatric populations are species or not, all DNA does is place the degree of difference between the two on a continuous scale of % sequence divergence, along which no arbitrary threshold can be defended conceptually as an assay of species rank, in my opinion." How nice when one of the finest minds in ornithology can lay out in plain English an answer to a question that has been lurking in the minds of many of us amateurs for a long time - at what point in the DNA chain do we determine whether a new species has evolved? DNA is useful in determining if gene exchange is taking place, and can give an idea of when, historically, gene exchange stopped taking place. In this regard we can start to look forward to seeing numerous splits taking place between Eurasian and American species. Probably the one most talked about just now is into Kentish Plover Charadrius alexandrinus and Snowy Plover Charadrius nivosus. Other possibilities are Northern Harrier, Common Raven, White-winged Scoter. Already in Eurasia there is much discussion about splitting European and Asian races, so keep track of your wagtail races when you travel! James Brooks =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net Owner: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx (423) 764-3958 =========================================================