I remember finding them quite often in all but the summer months at the secondary school I attended (early '70s) in east-central Vermont, and even had one as a pet as I cared for it after an injury, but I am told they are much less common there now and in the East more generally. Look for them in numbers in Canada, the mountain West and Northwest (in the last ten years I have had them in Manitoba, NH (northern), NV and UT). Still hoping one will end up on my mountain in Williamson County some winter's day. Unfortunately, unlike the grosbeak, the chances for another snake encounter are considerably better. With your recent experience at the hospital I would think orders of magnitude better. Better to be safe. Kevin Breault Brentwood, TN ________________________________ From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Reese, Carol [jreese5@xxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:52 PM To: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TN-Bird] evening grosbeaks.. Wish I had known the sightings of evening grosbeaks were so rare when I saw the noisy flocks a couple of years ago, I would have put out more word. They were in a big rolling field in Chester County near Luray, and they would lift and fall across the field. It was the one and only time I have ever seen them. I now live in northern Chester County, much different terrain, so it may have remain my one and only time. After doing more reading on evening grosbeak, I see that they are very nomadic and not likely to turn up in the same places each year, but just in case, here are the details. Even if you don’t see evening grosbeaks, it was a fabulous place to ramble whether your interest is plants or birds. The field in Luray is just southwest of Luray, a 550 acre field now owned by the state and is affiliated with the Pinson tree seedling nursery. The original nursery near Pinson borders the Pinson Mound State Park and every time they tried to do some field work at the nursery, they unearthed native American relics and would have to stop. They decided to acquire a different property, and this field near Luray is the new site. If anyone lives nearby, the locked gate can be found on Island Road. They were always quite willing to let me roam the property, and seem to be conscientious land stewards. I noticed when they mowed the acreage, they avoided lots of the plants that were good wildlife plants, plum, persimmon, even the many brilliant clumps of butterfly weed. They did remove a great deal of the sumac, however, which was haven and food for so many birds. In winter, especially, I would see many many bluebirds, mockingbirds, cardinals, and brown thrashers feeding on the sumac. This is a field I always called Maypop Hill, because it had so many Passiflora incarnata, and is the only place I have seen it in three forms – one has fruit the typical egg shape, another was much elongated and oblong, and the other a squatty sphere, more the shape of a fat little pumpkin. The rolling field drops precipitously off to the big Luray swamp – the one you cross just south of Luray, and this steep drop area is densely wooded, so there is such a wide range of habitat. The creek (straightened channel as it goes west, unfortunately) that runs through there always had resident kingfishers, and I think I saw every possible woodpecker there, some nesting in the dead snags in the swamp. Plenty of water moccasins as you might expect, so be wary, though I often roamed in sandals and shorts. BTW, bitten on the ankle by a copperhead snake two weeks ago on a ramble on my new property in hilly north Henderson County, and spent three nights in the hospital. It was much more of an ordeal than I would have dreamed, since I never thought a copperhead’s bite would have serious consequences. Also blew my longstanding belief that if you are minding your own business, snakes won’t bite you. This one did, with no warning and no provocation. I can only surmise that stopping to snip some towering blackberry vines out of the path made the snake think he had been seen. I probably would have been allowed to pass if I had kept moving. But who knows what goes on in a snake’s brain? Though scolded by family and friends, and told to be more cautious, I can’t help but think, what are the chances I would be bitten twice? Can’t be afraid if I’m not… I will warn you to take it seriously. I thought about taking a Benadryl and lying down for a bit, but it turned out later that going to the hospital was the better idea. "There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot." — Aldo Leopold<http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/43828.Aldo_Leopold> Carol Reese Ornamental Horticulture Specialist -Western District University of Tennessee Extension Service 605 Airways Blvd. Jackson TN 38301 731 425 4767 email jreese5@xxxxxxx<mailto:jreese5@xxxxxxx>