[TN-Bird] Re: hooded crane countability
- From: Kevin Breault <Kevin.Breault@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "littlezz@xxxxxxxxx" <littlezz@xxxxxxxxx>, tn-bird <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:03:26 +0000
Good distinction, Bill, between the life list and Big Year games, one bounded
the other less so.
Kevin Breault
Brentwood, TN
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From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of
Bill Pulliam [littlezz@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:55 AM
To: tn-bird
Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: hooded crane countability
Generally in the world of competitive sports, achievements are scored
under the rules that were in effect at the time, even if this means
to some extent comparing things that might not be precisely
comparable. For example, annual individual home run totals in
baseball are compared directly in spite of changes in the strike
zone, configuration of stadiums, etc. In bird listing, certainly
splits, lumps, and introductions give people in some eras advantages
or disadvantages. Same with the weather, air fares, whether or not
Attu is accessible, etc. If you end the year with 745 countable
under the rules and given the circumstances of that year, then that
is your total. People don't attempt to recalculate Babe Ruth's home
run totals given what would have happened if he played in modern
stadiums with the present-day strike zone.
Now for life lists, though, it is standard practice to retroactively
count birds that were not countable at the time they were observed if
their status changes. Many of us have gotten "lifers by mail" when
AOU announced a species split. While no one is going to (ABA-
legally) count a Hooded Crane for North America on a 2011 list,
someone might (ABA-legally) be counting this same bird on a life list
in a year or two if the various committees decide that way.
Bill Pulliam
Hohenwald TN
> On Dec 16, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Kevin Breault wrote:
>
> Apparently, John and other birders he talked to must have thought
> the bird was not on the TX list when he was considering whether it
> should be counted, but at this point I think it would be more
> appropriate for me to drop out of this discussion and leave it to
> him and others to consider what he said about the issue on his blog.
>
> But the issue of Big Year totals may be of more general interest.
> While most people put Sandy Komito down as having 745 in his Big
> Year, if you add birds he identified in the year but were not then
> countable then he has 748. As I have suggested to John I would
> agree that Sandy certainly has 748 but for reasons of comparability
> we should perhaps only consider the number of countable birds in
> the year of the Big Year. The problem is that if we add birds that
> became countable after the Big Year, then we must do that for
> everyone's Big Year, and it becomes difficult if not impossible to
> keep the records straight--or standardized. What really was
> Vandaman's Big Year, or that of Al Levantin and Greg Miller, to
> name just a few on the all-time list of Big Years? Of course, what
> this means is that there are really two lists of all-time Big
> Years, one of birds seen within the year, and the other, arguably
> less comparable for historical reasons, of birds currently
> countable. An interesting conundrum!
>
> Kevin Breault
> Brentwood, TN
>
> ________________________________________
> From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> on behalf of Terry Witt [terrywitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:14 AM
> To: tn-bird
> Subject: [TN-Bird] hooded crane countability
>
> Not to beat a dead horse but
>
> Aplomado Falcon is on the official Texas list as of July 27, 2011
>
> Terry Witt
> Murfreesboro Tn
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