I would like to say: I *believe* I’m a member ( I registered for, paid for and
attended the last WOC - and believe it comes with a membership). I have never
received a newsletter by email. I only stumbled upon the discord server address
in the CBM hackers mailing list, accidentally.
I also think shutting down the TPUG message board to be a*huge* mistake, as I
used it regularly, and until two days ago was not aware of an alternative.
I live in Peterborough - too far to make a weekday evening meeting. I’m a
computer enthusiast, and own quite a number of old computers - PET, Vic, 64,
128 and Amiga. I’m knowledgeable about them too.
I do not feel TPUG services my needs well. Yes, I’m welcome to attend regular
meetings, AGM, Etc. They do me no good, due to time and distance. TPUG’s
online presence continues to shrink.
To be told “I’m not doing enough” infuriates me. To paraphrase Kennedy: “Ask
not what your users are doing for you, ask what you are doing for your users”.
TPUG is not inclusive, regardless how you spin it. It is designed solely for
users in the GTA.
Maybe the 4 people who run the club need to rethink the format, if they want
additional help.
If you want my help, ask. If you don’t, continue doing things the way you have
done them in the past, but don’t complain that you have to do everything by
yourself.
People expect some sort of WOC show. Make it happen, or move aside and let some
other retro computer show take its place.
Just my 2 cents worth. Take it or leave it.
Blaine.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Josh Bensadon <jbensadon@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Richard,
I would also like to respond. Ian is a great guy with good emotional sense
and style when writing emails.
While I like to think I'm nice and polite in my emails, the fact is,
sometimes I fail. I am a little like Golan in this regard.
I see Golan as being very talented in computers but at the cost of being too
direct and abrasive in his emails.
I am not going to speak for Golan, but for myself, I sometimes get very
frustrated when my efforts are ignored and I'm needed to repeat myself.
However, I mostly catch myself before writing a bad email and focus on the
most important thing, which is I'm a person helping another person. Further,
I am not above anyone else and actually enjoy my faults as they bring me
closer to humanity. To err is human!
A long time ago, I read something that touched me deeply and I live by this
everyday.
That sentence was:
"I shall pass this way but once, so for any good I may do, let me do it now,
for I shall not pass this way again".
Richard, I'm not trying to defend Golan, but I know he's a good guy. Perhaps
his emails are rude, but I have hope that he will improve. If I was to
re-write his email, here's what I would say...
The date & location for WoC will be announced soon in September, just check
TPUG website at www.tpug.ca
There's been a few requests for the link to the Discord lately, that's
awesome, hope to see you there.
You can always find the link in our news letter and on the website!
PS. Thanks for your patience, we're down to 3 volunteers and looking for more!
Seriously, any help you can give will be greatly appreciated!
Richard, as for the rest of your comments, I believe Ian adequately explained
them all. There's a few things in there that I didn't know either... like
the bandwidth issues of hosting a live feed to the TPug meetings. I'm
scratching my head trying to think of a solution for that... truth is, I'm
just not that smart!
Finally, let me say, the door is always open. Just come on in!
Cheers!
Josh
From: torontocbm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <torontocbm-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Richard Savage <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 9:22 PM
To: torontocbm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <torontocbm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [torontocbm] Re: TPUG/WoC
I love the fact that TPUG is surviving so many years after Commodore stopped.
I love the work that you do for World of Commodore. It has to be a lot of
effort, and it was good fun to be there. Thank you for doing it.
I don't like the tone of the email, however. It's not motivating. I've seen a
few of these.
I don't like that you accept membership from all over the world, but meetings
are only open to those who can get to a Toronto church on a Thursday when the
internet could open it to everyone.
I don't like that when someone suggested holding a separate event it was shot
down because you would have to invite everyone - your membership.
I've had my membership for the last year, and am not sure what it's gotten
me. I wish you well, but, for me, that's enough. Take care, and I hope things
look up for you.
Richard Savage
Richard
From: Golan Klinger
Sent: Friday, August 16, 5:46 p.m.
Subject: [torontocbm] TPUG/WoC
To: Toronto CBM List
The date and location for the World of Commodore 2019 will be announced at
the beginning of September via the member's only newsletter, TPUG's website
(which can still be found at tpug.ca) and this mailing list. In the past
we've announced the date and venue after ECCC/VCFMW so we are actually doing
it early this year. And for those who seem surprised that TPUG has a Discord
server, instructions on how to join have been included in every newsletter
we've sent out in 2019 and there is a invitation link of every page on our
website. Lastly I will remind everyone (again) that TPUG is a
volunteer-driven organization and at the present time we have only three (3)
people who do everything to keep the club operating (including planning the
World of Commodore which does not materialize out of thin air) so if you're
unhappy with the service you're receiving and think you can do better I would
encourage you to email us with your offer to volunteer. -- Golan Klinger
