Re: [Va-bird] Vegetarian-Suet Feed !

  • From: Paul Kane <pmkane@xxxxxxx>
  • To: Deapesh Misra <deapesh@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:20:02 -0500

Deapesh,

I believe you, Deapesh. Sounds like you and your wife have been "thinking hard" about vegetarian suet. I respect your life style choices. Thanks for posting and for sharing too.

Be helpful if anyone speculating about the connection between avian mortality and vegetarian suet could actually point to some data that makes this point, instead of questioning someone else's personal life stye choices. And, the proof that birds eat vegetarian suet simply because it takes less effort to get at, is what? Ditto, for the suggestion that vegetarian suet is somehow not good for birds.

Deapesh, I don't know about your suet recipe. It does not look right to my untrained eye, but I get the whole vegetarian thing. A couple of suggestions. Think about substituting/including a high quality vegetable fat for the wheat flour you are using in your recipe. Besides soybean shortening (discussed below), a combination of palm oil and whole rice flour could be better choice than whole wheat flour. Also, looks to me like your recipe might be a little short of ingredients that are commonly used in vegetarian suet. See below. Probably be more work to go this route, and don't rely on my word about any of this. You have to do your own thinking and research. Regardless, I'd be rethinking the wheat flour thing. You should probably be doing some research in this area anyway, especially if you are new to vegetarian suet and are cooking this stuff up at home.

Vegetarian suet, however, is nothing new. It's widely available and is used in the U.S., Europe, and elsewhere. Vegetarian suet, as I understand it, often uses a base made from a combination of refined vegetable fats that have things like rolled oats, bird seed, cornmeal, peanut butter, raisins, berries, and unsalted nuts incorporated into the fat. Some argue that high quality vegetable fats, like soybean shortening, are actually superior to animal based suet in terms of digestibility, allowing more fat soluble vitamins to be absorbed by a bird's body. No idea if this is actually true, but with a little research Despesh, you ought to be able to find someone, besides the usual crew of resident VA-Bird experts, who actually knows something about this topic.

Friend of mine owns a birding and nature store. Been in business for more than 20 years. Sells a tractor trailer load of bird seed a week. I phoned this guy to ask about about vegetarian suet. He says he has no problem with the stuff. Used to stock vegetarian suet. No longer does because the stuff didn't sell well. Phoned a vegetarian friend of mine. She says all kinds of vegetarian suet can be found on-line, if you don't want to make your own. Might be a good way to get started with this stuff. My friend uses vegetarian suet from a company called Unipeck.

Deapesh, in the absence of actual data or other information that convinces you otherwise, do a little more research, purchase or make the highest quality vegetarian suet, and get on with your life; secure in the knowledge that you are hardly likely to be bringing death and destruction to the birds you are feeding, human life style choices notwithstanding. Do some reading. Ask some questions, someplace other than VA-Bird. Think about contacting company's that sell vegetarian suet to see what you can learn from these folks. There has to be a ton of bird feeder and suet information out there. Become more an an expert in this area. And, if it turns out that there is actually something wrong with the whole vegetarian suet thing, come back to VA- Bird and tell the rest of us what you have learned.

In the meantime, instead of worrying about vegetarian suet, those concerned with avian mortality and human life style choices really ought to be thinking about:

The 69 million acres that were converted to urban and suburban landscapes here in the U.S between 1950 (I think) and 1986. (Grey & Deneke 1986) This is an area that is 53 times the size of Delaware. BTW, 1986 was a long time ago, for the slow afoot.
The state of Pennsylvania, where less than 1% of this state's land can still be classified as wild (Coleman 2003).
The two million acres lost to development annually in the U.S. between 1982 and 1997. (USDA Natural Resource Conservation Service) Two million acres is about the size of Yellowstone National Park. 15 years times two million acres equals 30 million acres, for the slow afoot. And, the development rate is believed to have increased since 1997.
The troubling fact that since 1960, suburbia, in some parts of this country, increased 5909% (Haydon 2004).
The fact that we have now paved at least 4 million linear miles of public roads in this country. (Haydon 2004) Add in parking lots, drive ways, and other paved surfaces, and you have another 43,480 square miles of blacktop in the lower 48 states (Elvidge et al 2004). This is an area that is 5 1/2 times the size of New Jersey. Here in the Chesapeake Bay watershed, impervious surface increased 40% between 1990 and 2000 (They Paved Paradise, 2004).

According to the USFWS (Migratory Bird Mortality, 2002):

97.5 million to 976 million birds perish annually due to building strikes.
Transmission power lines, excluding electrocutions, kill 4-5 million birds annually.
Estimates are that cars kill as many as 60 million birds annually.
Pesticides reportedly kill 72 million birds annually.
Two million birds are believed to perish annually in oil and waste water pits.
Domestic and feral cats likely kill a couple hundred million birds annually.
Tens of thousands of sea birds are believed to perish annually in U.S. Fisheries.

Toss in other kinds of habitat loss, like degraded habitat (especially, grassland and wetland habitat). Then throw in the coming rising sea level and climate change thing. Vegetarian suet. LOL! Yeah, Deapesh, you and your "human life style choices" are real troubling. I'm probably not going to be able to sleep for days thinking about you and your vegetarian suet. LOL!

Paul Kane
Falls Church, VA
www.birdsense.net




On Dec 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Deapesh Misra wrote:

Hi,

My wife and I, have been thinking hard for a vegetarian replacement for suet.

My wife came with an idea which is working great. Here is the recipe:

* knead wheat flour and water so as to obtain a mass of dough
* mix in the bird seeds into the dough (we are currently using 'Kaytee Ultimate Nut and Fruit Blend'.

And that is it, we put the dough out in a suet cage!

We have had the following birds eat from it so far:

* Carolina Wrens
* White Breasted Nuthatches
* Carolina Chickadees
* Downy Woodpeckers

It seems to us that one advantage of this system is that, when the dough is still soft, smaller birds feed from it. And when it dries out and gets hard, woodpeckers and wrens only continue to feed from it.


-Deapesh
Fairfax, VA



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