Hello All, Sometimes the software for my wireless network card falls over which causes JAWS to clam up. But if I press Ctrl+Alt+N, NVDA starts up and works just fine. I press Alt+Tab a few times until the offending application has focus and I press Alt+F4 to close it. Then I get the usual warning message about losing any unsaved data. Here's where it gets tricky because when I press Ins+NumPadMinus, NVDA focuses on the wrong button so I have to press Ins+NumPad4 to shift the focus to the button on the left (labeled something like Close without Saving Data). Took me a while to figure that one out. Then I have to press Ins+NumPadEnter to activate the button and all hell breaks loose! Okay, not really. I usually hear the system error sound a few times and then JAWS and NVDA both start talking at once. Ins+Q and Enter soon sorts that out. Hope someone out there might find this useful and it just goes to show that sometimes one screen reader isn't enough, bfn, John