[audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
- From: "Robbie" <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 08:13:43 +0200
Hi John!
Most plugins have a slider as well as an edit field to enter the value.
I'm using lots of plugins and I haven't yet encountered one that wasn't
accessible.
Cheers, Robbie
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
Thanks Robbi and Jacob,
I am encouraged to spend the time learning Audacity. I realize that I
would have to get the correct lame encoder for mp3 podcasting etc., but
aside from that, does anyone know how accessible the plugIns are in
Audacity?
Thanks,
Blessings,
John
On 6/2/2013 3:33 AM, Robbie wrote:
> Hi John!
> One of my students uses Audacity with Window Eyes and he's got no
> problems at all. There may not be as many hot keys as with the JAWS
> scripts, but everything is just as accessible. A couple of Audacity
> key strokes clash with Window Eyes key strokes, such as ctrl-shift-I
> for import. However, you can either bypass Window Eyes by pressing
> insert-b or just go to the File menu and click on Import > Audio.
> Besides, you can assign your own key strokes in the Preferences
dialogue.
>
> Good luck
> Robbie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Johchi
> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:49 AM
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
>
> Good suggestion Cuong,
>
> Okay there list, first of all is there any Window-Eyes users on the
> list using Audacity? Is GW-Micro supporting your needs concerning
> this program?
>
> Thanks all and thanks Cuong,
>
> Blessings,
>
> John
> On 6/1/2013 11:23 PM, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
>> Hi
>> I think it's very well if you learn audacity with window eyes because
>> you told you're a window eyes user, then you should have the skill
>> enough to access a popular program using window eyes. Let try, and
>> ask this list if there are anything you confuse.
>> Happy learning, and sorry if my english was bad. haha Cuong
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johchi" <Johchi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 10:12 AM
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
>>
>>
>>> Hi Cuong Dang Manh,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this! I should have mentioned this in my intro post, but
>>> I'm an old Window-Eyes user. So at first glance, this looks like a
>>> lot to chew on. But again, if it does the best in as far as
>>> accessibility is concerned, I'll be learning JAWS and using scripts
>>> such as the one you guys have here. I have also been looking at the
>>> Free guide to audacity written by David Bailes. Mr. Bailes writes
>>> His Guide "was written specifically for Jaws users, but nearly all
>>> of it is also applicable to users NVDA and Window-eyes."
>>>
>>> Anyway, it sure looks like between your JAWS scripts and Mr. Bailes
>>> user's guide. JAWS is the primary way to go. But I will have NVDA
>>> and WE on hand just to see if there is something there in the
>>> program perhaps JAWS is not seeing. Forgive me, what am I saying!
>>> You guys would obviously know better then I. Certainly for now, I'm
>>> the student in this formula. <Smiley>
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Looking forward to checking this all out!
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2013 10:03 PM, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
>>>> Hi Johchi
>>>> Audacity is known to work well with all of the screen readers wich
>>>> you told, but I'll give you some info of using Jaws for windows
>>>> because I'm a Jaws user, and I feel comfortable with this.
>>>> There is a script written by Gary Campbell and me to make Jaws more
>>>> accessible with this, and if you're interested, you can download
>>>> from
>>>>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47990492/Jaws%20Script%20for%20Aud
> acit
> y.exe
>>>> You can read the readme file below before downloading:
>>>>
>>>> 4/5/2013 JAWS script for Audacity V2.0 (for script version 2.0
>>>> 4/5/2013) by Gary Campbell <campg2003@xxxxxxxxx> and Dang Manh
>>>> Cuong <dangmanhcuong@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> This JAWS script package provides support for Audacity 2.0.0 and
> later.
>>>> Features:
>>>> Keystrokes to speak selection start, selection end or length, and
>>>> Audio Position from anywhere in the main window.
>>>> Keystrokes to move the focus to the selection start and selection
>>>> end/length controls.
>>>> Displays JAWS and Audacity hotkey help.
>>>> Speaks main window areas: Toolbars, Track Panel, and selection Bar,
>>>> as focus moves between them.
>>>> Speaks the toolbar name when focus moves from one toolbar to another.
>>>> When focus is in the toolbars pressing CTRL+TAB and Shift+CTRL+TAB
>>>> move to the first control on the next toolbar and the last control
>>>> on the previous toolbar, respectively.
>>>> JAWSKey+Delete speaks the current program state: stop, play, play
>>>> pause, record, or record pause.
>>>> Speaks cursor position when left/right arrows are pressed and
>>>> Audacity is stopped when focus is in the track panel.
>>>> Indicates when no project is open (no tracks in track panel) for
>>>> many operations.
>>>> Track gain and pan controls now are passed to the application when
>>>> the PC cursor is active and focus is in the main window. Otherwise
>>>> they execute their default mouse movement functions.
>>>> Keystrokes that extend or contract the selection speak the new
>>>> position (or length).
>>>> In many VST plug-ins, keystrokes move focus to the Presets control
>>>> and activate save/Load Presets.
>>>> In many plug-in dialogs control names and values are spoken.
>>>>
>>>> When playing or recording the ENTER key executes pause/resume. I
>>>> like this because the numpad ENTER key is easier to find than "p"
>>>> if your hands are off the keyboard. Try it out and let us know if
>>>> it works for you and if you like it.
>>>>
>>>> The script was developed with Audacity 2.0.2 and JAWS 10.0.1178u
>>>> and 13. It should probably work with any JAWS after 5.0, although
>>>> the options for Audacity in Adjust JAWS Verbosity may not look very
good.
>>>> There is no specific Braille support at this time.
>>>>
>>>> Messages and string constants are in audacity.jsm facilitating
>>>> translation.
>>>>
>>>> The script version can be obtained by pressing JAWSKey+CTRL+V
>>>> (twice quickly to display it in the virtual viewer), and also
>>>> appears in JAWS hot key help.
>>>>
>>>> To install:
>>>> Place the installer in a folder on your machine.
>>>> Run it to install the files. It also allows you to choose which
>>>> JAWS versions to install into and whether to install for the
>>>> current user or all users. If you choose the full install type,
>>>> you will be able to remove it via Add or Remove Programs, and it
>>>> will make a folder in your Program Files folder to store the
>>>> uninstaller. If you choose the Just Scripts install type, it will
>>>> not be removable from Add or Remove Programs, and it will not
>>>> create a folder in your Program Files folder or any registry entries.
>>>> If you choose the Just Scripts install type, the README and What's
>>>> New files will be installed in the JAWS scripts folder for each
>>>> version, and What's new.txt will be called audacity_whatsnew.txt.
>>>> The installer will compile the script package in each JAWS version.
>>>> If you want to modify the installer, or are just curious how it
>>>> works, you can install the installer source by selecting the Custom
>>>> install type and choosing the Install Installer source component.
>>>>
>>>> Issues:
>>>>
>>>> We have had problems getting the state of Play, Pause, Record, and
>>>> Stop on some configurations. In function GetAudacityState there is
>>>> commented out code to determine the pressed state of toolbar
>>>> buttons by testing the button graphic name. There are also CS_IMG
>>>> constants for the pressed state of the Play, Pause, and Record
>>>> buttons that must be uncommented as well. If the current code
>>>> doesn't work for you, this might work. This code needs further
>>>> work, so if you need this code please let us know.
>>>>
>>>> The position fields sometimes are not shortened. This happens
>>>> because the JAWS GetWindowText function returns just the numbers
>>>> with no h, m, :, etc. We do not know what causes this. I have been
>>>> able to correct this by shutting down and restarting Audacity-- or
>>>> JAWS, I can't find my notes on this. This was observed with JAWS 10.
>>>>
>>>> A side effect of ENTER pausing during record and play is that you
>>>> can't select/unselect tracks while playing or recording. Also, if
>>>> you redefine the numpad ENTER key and set JAWS to treat extended
>>>> keys separately, both ENTER keys will be mapped to the typing keys
>>>> ENTER. If you don't like this feature you can deactivate it by
>>>> adding a semicolon on the lines for ENTER and NumPadEnter in
>>>> audacity.jkm and removing semicolons on the lines containing /* and
>>>> */ before and after script Enter in audacity.jss.
>>>>
>>>> We have received reports that the installer cannot find the JAWS
>>>> script compiler on 64-bit machines. We think JAWS registry
>>>> information might be in a different place on 64-bit machines. We
>>>> have not been able to verify this, but the installer now uses a
>>>> default location if it can't find the value in the registry. It
>>>> displays a message if this happens.
>>>>
>>>> I would be interested in feedback on the script and suggestions for
>>>> improvement, but can't promise any updates.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the text of the JAWS hot key help:
>>>> JAWS keystrokes for script version 2.0rc 1/17/13 18:04UTC, for
>>>> Audacity 2.0.0 or later:
>>>> To say the selection start position, press control+[.
>>>> To say the selection end position or length, press control+].
>>>> To move focus to these controls, press the key twice quickly.
>>>> To say the Audio Position value, press Alt+Delete.
>>>> To say the active cursor while the PC cursor is active, press
>>>> Alt+Delete twice quickly.
>>>> To increase gain of focus track, press Alt+Shift+UpArrow.
>>>> To reduce gain of focus track, press Alt+Shift+DownArrow.
>>>> To adjust pan left, press Alt+Shift+LeftArrow.
>>>> To adjust pan right, press Alt+Shift+RightArrow.
>>>> The last 4 keys replace the default JAWS mouse movement scripts
>>>> while focus is in the main window. If you want to activate the
>>>> original functionality while in the main window, turn on the JAWS
>>>> cursor.
>>>> To toggle speech on or off, press shift+jawskey+s.
>>>> To toggle alert messages on or off, press Control+`). This
>>>> duplicates the Announce Audacity messages option in Adjust JAWS
>>>> options.
>>>> See the what's new.txt for more info.
>>>> In a toolbar to move to the next toolbar press Control+Tab In a
>>>> toolbar to move to the previous toolbar press Control+Shift+Tab To
>>>> speak the program's state (play/pause/record/stop) press
>>>> JAWSKey+delete
>>>> To reset all script options to default values, press
>>>> Shift+Control+` To switch between the two lists in the Edit Chains
dialog, press F6.
>>>> To get help with Audacity hot keys, press JAWSKey+W.
>>>> To get the default Windows hot key help, press JAWSKey+W twice
> quickly.
>>>> In some common VST plugins, such as L1V:
>>>> To set focus to the preset control, press Alt+P.
>>>> To load an existing preset, press Alt+L.
>>>> To save the current settings as a preset, press Alt+S.
>>>>
>>>> To change settings for the Audacity script press JAWSKey+V.
>>>>
>>>> List JAWS Hot Keys
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy!
>>>> You should use the latest version of audacity for the best
>>>> accessibility HTH Cuong Dang Manh
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johchi" <Johchi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:49 AM
>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] New member intro and my first question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm brand new to this list and I hope to learn a lot. So I'm all
>>>>> ears! My first question has to do with finding out what your
>>>>> opinion is as to which screen reader accesses Audacity the best.
>>>>> Window-Eyes, NVDA or Jaws. As it turns out, I will have access to
>>>>> all three screen readers in a few weeks, but I would rather spend
>>>>> my time with the one that works the best with Audacity. I am
>>>>> slowly but surely building a small home studio where I can record
>>>>> some of my music and develop my own internet radio broadcast
>>>>> hopefully with Mushroom FM over Shoutcast. I don't have all of
>>>>> the resources I need to do this all at one time, but I figure I
>>>>> can start to do some recording and podcasting of shows on what
>>>>> equipment and jsoftware I can now afford to work with. Mr. DJX,
>>>>> one of the most knowledgable guys I know is building me a real
>>>>> beast of a computer for the job at hand. I would love to be able
>>>>> to use Sonar with the Sonar Jaws scripts, but that will have to
>>>>> wait for another time a little down the road. But that will also
>>>>> present yet another learning curve. I don't want to bite off more
>>>>> then I can chew. Anyway I understand that Audacity is quite a
>>>>> powerful multi-track sound recorder/editor in it's own right. So
>>>>> again I'm all ears.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for all the help,
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> John Chilelli
>>>>> Erie, PA
>>>>>
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