[audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
- From: "Robbie" <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 07:04:17 +0200
Hi John!
I'm using Audacity to produce my Rock show. In a two hour show you can
easily end up with 50 to 70 tracks, which can be challenging, but it's all
doable. My student is just putting together an interview feature using
Window Eyes. We haven't had any problems yet. The effects are accessible
and the track panel settings such as selected or soloed are announced.
Good luck
Robbie
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Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 6:47 AM
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Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
Hi Robbie,
I finally have a little time to review email and I'm just now seeing
yours. Thanks Robbie, this is really encouraging for me indeed. I'm just
hoping I will be able to do a good job with Audacity in producing an
internet radio program.
Lots more to learn!
Blessings,
John
On 6/3/2013 2:13 AM, Robbie wrote:
> Hi John!
> Most plugins have a slider as well as an edit field to enter the value.
> I'm using lots of plugins and I haven't yet encountered one that
> wasn't accessible.
>
> Cheers, Robbie
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Johchi
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 3:30 AM
> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
>
> Thanks Robbi and Jacob,
>
> I am encouraged to spend the time learning Audacity. I realize that I
> would have to get the correct lame encoder for mp3 podcasting etc.,
> but aside from that, does anyone know how accessible the plugIns are
> in Audacity?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Blessings,
>
> John
> On 6/2/2013 3:33 AM, Robbie wrote:
>> Hi John!
>> One of my students uses Audacity with Window Eyes and he's got no
>> problems at all. There may not be as many hot keys as with the JAWS
>> scripts, but everything is just as accessible. A couple of Audacity
>> key strokes clash with Window Eyes key strokes, such as ctrl-shift-I
>> for import. However, you can either bypass Window Eyes by pressing
>> insert-b or just go to the File menu and click on Import > Audio.
>> Besides, you can assign your own key strokes in the Preferences
> dialogue.
>> Good luck
>> Robbie
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Johchi
>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:49 AM
>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
>>
>> Good suggestion Cuong,
>>
>> Okay there list, first of all is there any Window-Eyes users on the
>> list using Audacity? Is GW-Micro supporting your needs concerning
>> this program?
>>
>> Thanks all and thanks Cuong,
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> John
>> On 6/1/2013 11:23 PM, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I think it's very well if you learn audacity with window eyes
>>> because you told you're a window eyes user, then you should have the
>>> skill enough to access a popular program using window eyes. Let try,
>>> and ask this list if there are anything you confuse.
>>> Happy learning, and sorry if my english was bad. haha Cuong
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johchi" <Johchi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: New member intro and my first question
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Cuong Dang Manh,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this! I should have mentioned this in my intro post,
>>>> but I'm an old Window-Eyes user. So at first glance, this looks
>>>> like a lot to chew on. But again, if it does the best in as far as
>>>> accessibility is concerned, I'll be learning JAWS and using scripts
>>>> such as the one you guys have here. I have also been looking at
>>>> the Free guide to audacity written by David Bailes. Mr. Bailes
>>>> writes His Guide "was written specifically for Jaws users, but
>>>> nearly all of it is also applicable to users NVDA and Window-eyes."
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, it sure looks like between your JAWS scripts and Mr. Bailes
>>>> user's guide. JAWS is the primary way to go. But I will have NVDA
>>>> and WE on hand just to see if there is something there in the
>>>> program perhaps JAWS is not seeing. Forgive me, what am I saying!
>>>> You guys would obviously know better then I. Certainly for now, I'm
>>>> the student in this formula. <Smiley>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to checking this all out!
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2013 10:03 PM, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
>>>>> Hi Johchi
>>>>> Audacity is known to work well with all of the screen readers wich
>>>>> you told, but I'll give you some info of using Jaws for windows
>>>>> because I'm a Jaws user, and I feel comfortable with this.
>>>>> There is a script written by Gary Campbell and me to make Jaws
>>>>> more accessible with this, and if you're interested, you can
>>>>> download from
>>>>>
>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47990492/Jaws%20Script%20for%20Au
>> d
>> acit
>> y.exe
>>>>> You can read the readme file below before downloading:
>>>>>
>>>>> 4/5/2013 JAWS script for Audacity V2.0 (for script version 2.0
>>>>> 4/5/2013) by Gary Campbell <campg2003@xxxxxxxxx> and Dang Manh
>>>>> Cuong <dangmanhcuong@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>> This JAWS script package provides support for Audacity 2.0.0 and
>> later.
>>>>> Features:
>>>>> Keystrokes to speak selection start, selection end or length, and
>>>>> Audio Position from anywhere in the main window.
>>>>> Keystrokes to move the focus to the selection start and selection
>>>>> end/length controls.
>>>>> Displays JAWS and Audacity hotkey help.
>>>>> Speaks main window areas: Toolbars, Track Panel, and selection
>>>>> Bar, as focus moves between them.
>>>>> Speaks the toolbar name when focus moves from one toolbar to
another.
>>>>> When focus is in the toolbars pressing CTRL+TAB and Shift+CTRL+TAB
>>>>> move to the first control on the next toolbar and the last control
>>>>> on the previous toolbar, respectively.
>>>>> JAWSKey+Delete speaks the current program state: stop, play, play
>>>>> pause, record, or record pause.
>>>>> Speaks cursor position when left/right arrows are pressed and
>>>>> Audacity is stopped when focus is in the track panel.
>>>>> Indicates when no project is open (no tracks in track panel) for
>>>>> many operations.
>>>>> Track gain and pan controls now are passed to the application when
>>>>> the PC cursor is active and focus is in the main window. Otherwise
>>>>> they execute their default mouse movement functions.
>>>>> Keystrokes that extend or contract the selection speak the new
>>>>> position (or length).
>>>>> In many VST plug-ins, keystrokes move focus to the Presets control
>>>>> and activate save/Load Presets.
>>>>> In many plug-in dialogs control names and values are spoken.
>>>>>
>>>>> When playing or recording the ENTER key executes pause/resume. I
>>>>> like this because the numpad ENTER key is easier to find than "p"
>>>>> if your hands are off the keyboard. Try it out and let us know if
>>>>> it works for you and if you like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The script was developed with Audacity 2.0.2 and JAWS 10.0.1178u
>>>>> and 13. It should probably work with any JAWS after 5.0, although
>>>>> the options for Audacity in Adjust JAWS Verbosity may not look
>>>>> very
> good.
>>>>> There is no specific Braille support at this time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Messages and string constants are in audacity.jsm facilitating
>>>>> translation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The script version can be obtained by pressing JAWSKey+CTRL+V
>>>>> (twice quickly to display it in the virtual viewer), and also
>>>>> appears in JAWS hot key help.
>>>>>
>>>>> To install:
>>>>> Place the installer in a folder on your machine.
>>>>> Run it to install the files. It also allows you to choose which
>>>>> JAWS versions to install into and whether to install for the
>>>>> current user or all users. If you choose the full install type,
>>>>> you will be able to remove it via Add or Remove Programs, and it
>>>>> will make a folder in your Program Files folder to store the
>>>>> uninstaller. If you choose the Just Scripts install type, it will
>>>>> not be removable from Add or Remove Programs, and it will not
>>>>> create a folder in your Program Files folder or any registry
entries.
>>>>> If you choose the Just Scripts install type, the README and What's
>>>>> New files will be installed in the JAWS scripts folder for each
>>>>> version, and What's new.txt will be called audacity_whatsnew.txt.
>>>>> The installer will compile the script package in each JAWS version.
>>>>> If you want to modify the installer, or are just curious how it
>>>>> works, you can install the installer source by selecting the
>>>>> Custom install type and choosing the Install Installer source
component.
>>>>>
>>>>> Issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> We have had problems getting the state of Play, Pause, Record, and
>>>>> Stop on some configurations. In function GetAudacityState there
>>>>> is commented out code to determine the pressed state of toolbar
>>>>> buttons by testing the button graphic name. There are also CS_IMG
>>>>> constants for the pressed state of the Play, Pause, and Record
>>>>> buttons that must be uncommented as well. If the current code
>>>>> doesn't work for you, this might work. This code needs further
>>>>> work, so if you need this code please let us know.
>>>>>
>>>>> The position fields sometimes are not shortened. This happens
>>>>> because the JAWS GetWindowText function returns just the numbers
>>>>> with no h, m, :, etc. We do not know what causes this. I have
>>>>> been able to correct this by shutting down and restarting
>>>>> Audacity-- or JAWS, I can't find my notes on this. This was observed
with JAWS 10.
>>>>>
>>>>> A side effect of ENTER pausing during record and play is that you
>>>>> can't select/unselect tracks while playing or recording. Also, if
>>>>> you redefine the numpad ENTER key and set JAWS to treat extended
>>>>> keys separately, both ENTER keys will be mapped to the typing keys
>>>>> ENTER. If you don't like this feature you can deactivate it by
>>>>> adding a semicolon on the lines for ENTER and NumPadEnter in
>>>>> audacity.jkm and removing semicolons on the lines containing /*
>>>>> and */ before and after script Enter in audacity.jss.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have received reports that the installer cannot find the JAWS
>>>>> script compiler on 64-bit machines. We think JAWS registry
>>>>> information might be in a different place on 64-bit machines. We
>>>>> have not been able to verify this, but the installer now uses a
>>>>> default location if it can't find the value in the registry. It
>>>>> displays a message if this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be interested in feedback on the script and suggestions
>>>>> for improvement, but can't promise any updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the text of the JAWS hot key help:
>>>>> JAWS keystrokes for script version 2.0rc 1/17/13 18:04UTC, for
>>>>> Audacity 2.0.0 or later:
>>>>> To say the selection start position, press control+[.
>>>>> To say the selection end position or length, press control+].
>>>>> To move focus to these controls, press the key twice quickly.
>>>>> To say the Audio Position value, press Alt+Delete.
>>>>> To say the active cursor while the PC cursor is active, press
>>>>> Alt+Delete twice quickly.
>>>>> To increase gain of focus track, press Alt+Shift+UpArrow.
>>>>> To reduce gain of focus track, press Alt+Shift+DownArrow.
>>>>> To adjust pan left, press Alt+Shift+LeftArrow.
>>>>> To adjust pan right, press Alt+Shift+RightArrow.
>>>>> The last 4 keys replace the default JAWS mouse movement scripts
>>>>> while focus is in the main window. If you want to activate the
>>>>> original functionality while in the main window, turn on the JAWS
>>>>> cursor.
>>>>> To toggle speech on or off, press shift+jawskey+s.
>>>>> To toggle alert messages on or off, press Control+`). This
>>>>> duplicates the Announce Audacity messages option in Adjust JAWS
>>>>> options.
>>>>> See the what's new.txt for more info.
>>>>> In a toolbar to move to the next toolbar press Control+Tab In a
>>>>> toolbar to move to the previous toolbar press Control+Shift+Tab To
>>>>> speak the program's state (play/pause/record/stop) press
>>>>> JAWSKey+delete
>>>>> To reset all script options to default values, press
>>>>> Shift+Control+` To switch between the two lists in the Edit Chains
> dialog, press F6.
>>>>> To get help with Audacity hot keys, press JAWSKey+W.
>>>>> To get the default Windows hot key help, press JAWSKey+W twice
>> quickly.
>>>>> In some common VST plugins, such as L1V:
>>>>> To set focus to the preset control, press Alt+P.
>>>>> To load an existing preset, press Alt+L.
>>>>> To save the current settings as a preset, press Alt+S.
>>>>>
>>>>> To change settings for the Audacity script press JAWSKey+V.
>>>>>
>>>>> List JAWS Hot Keys
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy!
>>>>> You should use the latest version of audacity for the best
>>>>> accessibility HTH Cuong Dang Manh
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johchi" <Johchi@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] New member intro and my first question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm brand new to this list and I hope to learn a lot. So I'm all
>>>>>> ears! My first question has to do with finding out what your
>>>>>> opinion is as to which screen reader accesses Audacity the best.
>>>>>> Window-Eyes, NVDA or Jaws. As it turns out, I will have access to
>>>>>> all three screen readers in a few weeks, but I would rather spend
>>>>>> my time with the one that works the best with Audacity. I am
>>>>>> slowly but surely building a small home studio where I can record
>>>>>> some of my music and develop my own internet radio broadcast
>>>>>> hopefully with Mushroom FM over Shoutcast. I don't have all of
>>>>>> the resources I need to do this all at one time, but I figure I
>>>>>> can start to do some recording and podcasting of shows on what
>>>>>> equipment and jsoftware I can now afford to work with. Mr. DJX,
>>>>>> one of the most knowledgable guys I know is building me a real
>>>>>> beast of a computer for the job at hand. I would love to be able
>>>>>> to use Sonar with the Sonar Jaws scripts, but that will have to
>>>>>> wait for another time a little down the road. But that will also
>>>>>> present yet another learning curve. I don't want to bite off
>>>>>> more then I can chew. Anyway I understand that Audacity is quite
>>>>>> a powerful multi-track sound recorder/editor in it's own right.
>>>>>> So again I'm all ears.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for all the help,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Chilelli
>>>>>> Erie, PA
>>>>>>
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