I do like MP3 Direct Cut's editing model. I think its advantage is that the position of the start/end of the region is not destroyed by moving the edit position. I haven't used it in a long time, but, in addition to the Audacity c command that plays the audio as if the region were deleted, I think it has commands to play a bit of audio before the start, after the start, before the end, and after the end. The big deal with Audacity here, again, is that if you set up a region and then want to review it to see if you have chosen what you want to choose, you have to play the entire region, or use c, or lose your selection. In MP3 Direct Cut you can set the bounds of a part, then move around and play anything anywhere in the file. Actually, you can define several "parts" whose positions are retained. You can even edit these parts without destroying them. I used to record a streamed broadcast that contained several episodes of a program. I could set each episode as a part, and the stuff before, after, and between as parts. I could then edit them and export them to files. You can do the same thing with Audacity features, such as labels or tracks, but I found that interface very easy to work with. I wrote some JAWS scripts so that when you arrow it tells you the cursor position, and keys to report various positions. It's been several years since I did this, so I don't remember the details, and I think there's new program versions since then so I don't think my scripts would work without rewriting.
So you can move the start and end of the selection, but it's hard to tell what you did. The easiest thing is cut, but if that doesn't tell you what you need to know, you have to play the whole region, and that's a pain if it's long.
The ability to save and restore the current region can help with this, but you can only save 1 region. You can mark parts with labels, but as was said in another post, the label interface has its accessibility problems.
Gary On 11/27/2014 9:53 AM, Thomas Byskov Dalgaard wrote:
Hi Gene!The commands for moving the start or end of the selection is already implemented. You can find more details in the guide David has written for Audacity and screenreaders. It works great here, though I might remap them since I mess them up sometimes, smile.HTH Best regards ThomasDen 27/11/2014 kl. 16.09 skrev Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>>:Not just that one keystroke. There needs to be a system like that implemented in Mp3 Direct Cut. One key plays from the start marker and continues play for a few seconds. Another key plays from the end marker and continues play for a few seconds. there also needs to be keys that move the start marker back and forward in very small increments. Keys to move the end marker in the same way should be implemented as well. If anyone interested in these suggestions and how easy they make precise editing will experiment with Mp3 Direct Cut, they may understand why//Audacity is so cumbersome and undesirable to use for precise editing by blind people. I suspect it is cumbersome for sighted people as well. After all, the Mp3 Direct Cut editing system was not designed for blind people, it was designed for everyone. And while I haven't played with Gold Wave much, it appears to have a similar system. To do precise editing with reasonable convenience, we need to be able to move both the start and end markers in tiny increments and hear, any time we wish, the exact effect of those movements while not making any actual change in the file. When editing with Mp3 Direct cut, I set the markers to where it sounds as though they should be set. I then delete the material between the markers and I then play a section starting a bit before the edit and extending a bit beyond it. If the edit I made is not what I want, I use control z to undo the edit, move one or both markers incrementally, then delete and listen again. This method allows editing so precise that I can remove part of a piece of music and the deletion is inaudible in terms of being able to hear the edit. for example, I can remove a chorus and verse from a song and resume play at exactly the right beat and on exactly the right note so the listener can't hear that an edit took place. At present, doing this for a blind user in Audacity is unreasonably cumbersome and unpleasant.Gene ----- Original Message ----- *From:* David Bailes <mailto:david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:30 AM *To:* audacity4blind <mailto:audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* [audacity4blind] playing from the end of the selection Hi,Gene and Thomas have both recently suggested that it would be good to be able to have a keystroke to play from the end of the selection, either for a few seconds, or until the end of the file. I was wondering whether other list members think that this might be useful,David. The audacity4blind web site is at //www.freelists.org/webpage/audacity4blind Subscribe and unsubscribe information, message archives, Audacity keyboard commands, and more... To unsubscribe from audacity4blind, send an email toaudacity4blind-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:audacity4blind-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>with subject line unsubscribe