Jake, I thought there needed to be a blank line *after* headers, and before footers. Is this wrong? So, I thought the page number had to be in the first, or last line, of a page, and, when it's on the top, be followed by a blank line. For an example, you could see my validations of The Inimatble Jeeves, or of The Catcher From Double-A. How depressing, if I've been doing it wrong all these years. Tracy > Hello, > > Pratik is correct in that blank lines at the tops and bottoms of pages > help ensure a high quality HTML file (derived from the DAISY). I am not > aware of any changes since we last observed that this was accurate. Page > headers/footers should be the first or last actual text on the page. After > my signature, I have included the portion of the volunteer manual that > discusses this. > > Sincerely, > Jake > > Jake Brownell > jakeb@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > 3.3.6 Feel Free To Clean Up Running Headers And Footers > When a book is uploaded after validation, the Book Is processed by a tool > which attempts to do four things: > > 1.. Identify recurring text at the top and bottom of each page known as > "running headers and footers" > 2.. Identify page numbers in the running headers and footers > 3.. Remove text from running headers and footers > 4.. Process the page numbers to allow easier navigation of DAISY books > and include original page numbers in BRF books > Volunteers can assist this tool by insuring that headers and footers are > consistent throughout the book. > > a.. Capitalization should be used consistently throughout headers and > footers > b.. Tabs and spaces should be used consistently throughout headers and > footers > c.. Page numbers and text in each header or footer should be on the same > line > d.. Page numbers should be separated from text in a header or footer by > a space or tab > Note that the text will be removed by the tool if it is consistent, so the > easiest way to insure that the tool can identify page numbers is to remove > the text from running headers and footers. This is not only much easier > for volunteers, but makes the tool's job simpler as well. > > If you wish to clean up headers and footers, please do the following for > each page containing a header or footer: > > a.. Make sure that if a page contains a header that the header is the > first line of text on the page. > b.. Make sure that if a page contains a footer that the footer is the > last line of text on the page. > Note that lines containing punctuation marks or symbols, such as hyphens > and asterisks, are considered lines of text. > > The following will also help prevent issues with page numbers in HTML > files when creating an HTML file using the Bookshare.org Unpack Tool: > > a.. Make sure there is a blank line before headers > b.. Make sure there is a blank line after footers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pratik Patel > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 12:07 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of > pages > > > Hello all, > > > > Based on the confusion, I'll do some tests over the weekend and report > back. > > > > Pratik > > > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guido Corona > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:43 PM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of > pages > > > > > Allison, the header processor is actually supposed to eat up headers; > it should then extract page numbers and place them into the DAISY code, > so that DAISY readers can go to the real page 4456, instead of the > 456th page from the beginning of the file. > > G. > > > Guido Dante Corona > IBM Research, > Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) > Austin Tx. > Phone: 512. 838. 9735. > Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx > Web: http://www.ibm.com/able > > ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who > were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who > questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being > wise." > [David Poyer, The Command] > > > > > "Allison Hilliker" <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> > Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > 01/11/2008 06:06 PM > > Please respond to > bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To > <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > cc > > Subject > [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom > of pages > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > I have been a validator for about 3 or 4 years now and really don't pay > attention to blank line placements, and I've not had any trouble with > the > stripper eating my page numbers. > > Best, > Allison > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:14 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom of > pages > > > > How does this no needing of blank lines match up with the need to put > in > > blank lines around page breaks and page numbers so that the stripper > does > > not remove said page numbers. If I am confused I can only imagine how > new > > validators feel. (sigh no grin) > > > > E. > > > > At 04:02 PM 1/11/2008, you wrote: > >>Hi Sue, > >> > >>You bring up an important question. Let me clarify what I meant in my > >>earlier post. Page breaks are absolutely required. That has not > change. > >>I > >>didn't mean to imply otherwise. What Christine was asking about, or > what > >>I > >>believe she was asking about, was whether or not a blank line needed > to be > >>included at the beginning and end of every page. These blank lines > would > >>be > >>in addition to any page breaks. These blanks are not necessary. In > >>short, > >>the page breaks are required, and the blank lines are not. > >> > >>Hope this helps clear things up. > >> > >>Best, > >> > >>Allison Hilliker: > >>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org). > >>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>www.bookshare.org > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> > >>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:37 PM > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom > of > >>pages > >> > >> > >>> > >>>Hi Allison, > >>> > >>>If this is true, has bookshare changed their policy about page > breaks? I > >>>thought they were not accepting books that lacked page breaks. > >>> > >>>Best, > >>> > >>> > >>>Sue S. > >>> > >>>----- O > >>>riginal Message ----- From: "Allison Hilliker" > <bookshare_girl@xxxxxxx> > >>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 1:31 PM > >>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Book without blank lines at top/bottom > of > >>>pages > >>> > >>> > >>>Hi Christine, > >>> > >>>A book not having blank lines at the beginning and ends of pages is > not > >>>cause for rejection. True, the blanks can be helpful, but they are > not > >>>necessary. I verified > >>>this fact with another Bookshare staff member. I'll also note that > the > >>>volunteer manual sets forth no requirements relating to this issue. > >>> > >>>Best, > >>> > >>>Allison Hilliker: > >>>Intern, Benetech (Bookshare.org). > >>>E-mail allisonh@xxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>www.bookshare.org > >>> > >>>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > >>>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a > list > >>>of > >>>available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject > line. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > >>>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a > list > >>>of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject > line. > >> > >>To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to > >>bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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