[bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses

  • From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:44:01 -0700

Scott, as I raised the question I'll try to summarize the responses.
When forming an ellipsis in text, I had been told to use three periods with no spaces between them ... for example. I had also been told sometime ago via this list that if an ellipsis occured in the middle of a sentence, I should put a space on either side of it ... for example. However, recently I was checking on something else in the volunteer manual and found the instruction to not put a space before an ellipsis even when it occurs in the middle of a sentence. My question was then should I put a space after an ellipsis in the middle of a sentence or not? The responses basically said that I should not put spaces between the three dots, and if I did not put a space before the first dot in the middle of a sentence I should not put a space after the last dot. However, the consensus seemed to be that for conversion to braille an ellipsis in the middle of a sentence should have a space before it and after it, but no spaces in between. (but how would that work for a print user reading a book from Bookshare?) People agreed that if the ellipsis occurred at the end of the sentence, there should not be a space before the ellipsis or between the last dot in the ellipsis and the period. A discussion also arose about using an extended ansi character for an ellipsis. 
People also wanted more guidance in the manual.
I think I got everything.
Thanks.
Lori C.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Rains" <scottr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses



Hi all,
I'm tracking the volume but haven't dug into the content of this thread yet. It will be a couple hours before I am able to do so.
If someone would be so kind as to author - and label - a "what-we-have-discovered-to-date" summary post on ellipses in about 1 hour it would be a help to me. 

Thanks

Scott Rains
Bookshare Volunteer Coordinator, Interim
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From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob W [rwiley45@xxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 7:50 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
If it translates right it should look like this: … extended ansi character 8230.
However, when I read it with JAWS jaws says nothing. If this were a major problem for me, I would make jaws say elipsis by way of the dictionary. You could do the same thing for most braille displays. Notetakers might be a different proposition. 

Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Jill O'Connell<mailto:jillocon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
If you know what the symbol is I would be happy to try this as I have a braille display. I too had Kurzweil recognize this once and say elipsis instead of dot, dot, dot. 
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Smith<mailto:mdsmith25@xxxxxxxx>
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 4:37 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ellipses
Just wondering if the Braille conversion tool would recognize an ellipses as such if we used the actual symbol for an ellipses instead of the 3 periods together. I've noticed that my screen reader will sometimes say ellipses and sometimes just say dot dot dot. I'm thinking that if the Braille conversion tool would recognize the actual ellipses, it would be displayed correctly in Braille and print and work for everybody. Perhaps this is something that needs to be checked with engineering to know for sure. 

Melissa Smith

On 5/27/2010 12:12 AM, Susan wrote:
Hi Jill,
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The question is, how do we format books to be the most correct for everyone? I know this sounds opinionated, and I'm sorry, but I'm not sure this is always possible to achieve in one book. For example, if we format correctly for braille, (such as in the ellipses we've been discussing forever), perhaps a dyslexic reader is not getting his or her needs (which are just as important) met? What is the answer, I wish I knew. Thanks for letting me vint everyone! Are you feeling any differently about working with us, Scott? Sure do hope not. 
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Susan, The Questioning Proofer

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