If the Bookshare header processor had detected all page numbers, you would not have found any page numbers at all, because they would have been all moved into the XML markup tags, rather than remaining exposed in the bodytext. It is then a function of the DAISY reading software to announce page number appropriately using prev/next/goto page commands and where-am-I commands. A save-as command from the DAISY reader to a TEXT file should restore than page numbers to be bodytext. It takes at least two to tango, but it seems that both electronic dancers may be taking a few little missteps. By the way, it looks like the LevelStar ICON and by extension the APH Braille Plus manage bookshare page numbers correctly, including preliminary pages coded with roman numerals. G. Guido Dante Corona IBM Research, Human Ability & Accessibility Center, (HA&AC) Austin Tx. Phone: 512. 838. 9735. Email: guidoc@xxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.ibm.com/able ". . . Maybe it was only those who were most certain they were right who were guaranteed to be wrong. And that maybe, just maybe, those who questioned the most were in the end those who came closest to being wise." [David Poyer, The Command] "Bob" <rwiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 01/19/2008 02:01 PM Please respond to bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich I checked out the .txt file and didn't find page numbers except in a haphazard manner. I'm going to get back to validating as I'm getting very frustrated. Bookshare pays me to validate a book not to troubleshoot their software. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Okay, this is pretty strange. As I said in a previous message I was using k1000v10. Others with other software or other versions of Kurzweil may find different results. I downloaded the daisy copy of "the rise and fall of the third Reich" and opened it in Kurzweil. There are random page numbers that do show in the book, page VII for example. However, most are missing. But, Kurzweil is true to the book if you make allowances for the extra page that bookshare adds in on page two. For example, page 1524 in the book was reported on page 1525. So, to find out what page you are on press shift f1 in the book and mentally add the number 1 to whatever k1000 reports you are on. I checked out header avoidance in the reading settings, making sure that header avoidance was enabled. According to the manual, this should report page headings, but it doesn't. I swear the page numbers were there when the book was submitted to the bookshare administration. I can only conclude that the stripper took them out, or Kurzweil isn't reporting them. I am going to save the book in .txt format, open it with a good old text editor and see if page numbers and, I hope, page breaks are there. But, don't hold your breath. I'll report it if there is any difference. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Cross To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich Will the daisy tags indicate the actual page number or will those tags reflect the number of pages, including introductory pages? Any way, I will try that right now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kellie Hartmann To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:51 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Help me with The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich If you get the Daisy version, you can see the page numbers in the Daisy tags using the Bookmark list commands. Otherwise, you can use a notetaker or bookport or book courrier if you have one, or, if you need to, you can use Internet Explorer to read the html version included with the Daisy version. Use the Jaws placemarker commands to make bookmarks or save your place, or convert the file back to txt with Explorer and put it back in Kurzweil. Kellie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 7:32 PM