[bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
- From: "Darrell Shandrow" <darrell.shandrow@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 00:33:27 -0700
Hi Mayrie and all,
What I'd very much like to see is a detailed description of the RTF
Converter, Stripper or whatever it is called so that we all know exactly how
to proceed as validators. Right now, in many cases, as Bob Dillon or Peter
Paul and Mary say, the answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, the answer
is blowing in the wind... :-)
Sorry. I just couldn't resist... :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
Hi Bob,
You ask good questions. Now, I am going to tell you what's
been said here before. And I know, because I'm as confused as you
are about some things, that there is at least one something that I'm
missing.
Yes, five asterisks above a story heading would be stripped
instead of the story title. That has to do with repetitive
text. I think. And I think the lovely stripper leaves alone the
first line of text on each page, because that isn't repeated,
something it sees again and again, so leaves it alone.
Now, that's all well and good, but, still leaves us with
questions, right? If it strips out repetitive text, it must have a
pretty broad definition of what is repetitive, because it will take
out chapter headings, even if there are two words in the thing, one
being chapter which stays the same (repetitive), and the other, the
number of the chapter (not repetitive). I don't have answers for
this stuff. All that I know are these things, and I think most of
this is learned by experience handed down from volunteer to volunteer.
If you put something above chapter titles or section headings, said
headings will not be stripped. That something can't be blank lines.
Resubmissions of books must either be rescans, or reworkings of
either the originally submitted rtf file, or the validated rtf file
of the book now in the collection. The reason for this is that any
of the editing programs that will handle the daisy files remove
something essential, in the case of Kurzweil, the page numbers. And
the html file will, if used to rework a scan from, have messed up
page breaks, if it has any at all.
It's all a pain, and continually revisited as a topic, because these
things aren't addressed at all in the volunteer manual.
So, Bob, yeah, things suck, but we can, and have to work around them,
or quit. Which I have been tempted to do occasionally. Ah, wouldn't
it be nice if the world always worked the way it is advertised to work.
Peace,
Mayrie
At 08:55 PM 5/2/2008, you wrote:
>Damn right it sucks!
>
>Could we just put a line with about five asterisks above the story
>title? Would the stripper strip that bogus line out instead of the
>story title? What keeps the stripper from deleting the first line of
>every page?
>
>I'm more confused than ever.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:57 PM
>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
>
>
>>Hi Bob,
>>
>> And your new BSO, created from the daisy file, read in
>> Kurzweil won't have page numbers unless you inserted them by
>> hand. That is part of why rescans are preferred, or reworkings of
>> the rtf files. Kurzweil doesn't maintain page numbers in the
>> daisy files from bookshare.
>>
>>Sucks, don't it.
>>
>>Peace,
>>Mayrie
>>
>>At 07:13 PM 5/2/2008, you wrote:
>>>Many thanks Marilyn, but that wouldn't help in this case. There is
>>>a table of contents with the story title and page number, and,
>>>fortunately, the pages were a one to one correspondent to the
>>>print page numbers. So, copying the story title to the appropriate
>>>page was easy to do but rather tedious.
>>>
>>>I was under the impression that the story titles didn't scan, but,
>>>since Misha was the validator of this book I'm sure he would have
>>>caught the fact that the story titles were missing. Therefore,
>>>looks like the bookshare tool strikes another blow for chaos.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Beasley"
>>><mbeasley@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:45 PM
>>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Missing story titles
>>>
>>>
>>>>Let me see if I can help here. I'm a sighted volunteer. Give me the
>>>>name of the book and author, I can go online w/my library right now,
>>>>see if they have it. If they do, I can pick it up tomorrow or Sunday,
>>>>and report here the story titles. Would that help?
>>>>
>>>>Hugs,
>>>>Marilyn
>>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>>
>>>>On May 2, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Well, at least this episode clearly answers one question.
>>>>>
>>>>>If the submitted book has all its headers perfect (as I know
>>>>>this one did since I validated it), and the page numbers are at
>>>>>the bottom of the page, you still need to put something before
>>>>>the pages with the actual section or story titles or they will
>>>>>be stripped along with the other headers. From something Jake
>>>>>said a while ago, I was hoping this would only be true if the
>>>>>actual chapter title began with the word chapter and the page
>>>>>numbers were at the top of the page, normally, but at the
>>>>>bottom of the pages that begin sections. In this book all page
>>>>>numbers were at the bottom of the page (they didn't scan as
>>>>>perfectly as the headers, so I had to fix a few of them).
>>>>>
>>>>>So, we can strip the headers, even if they are scanned
>>>>>perfectly, or we can move all page numbers to the top of the
>>>>>page, or we can put something like this on the pages with section
>>>>>headings.
>>>>>
>>>>>page break
>>>>>blank line
>>>>>junk text
>>>>>blank line
>>>>>Section title
>>>>>blank line
>>>>>page text
>>>>>blank line
>>>>>page number
>>>>>blank line
>>>>>page break
>>>>>
>>>>>and so on, to prevent section titles from being gobbled up by
>>>>>the stripper.
>>>>>
>>>>>In all previous books I verified, I stripped the headers
>>>>>because some of them were garbled and it is easier to delete
>>>>>them than fix the garbling. Some I moved all the page numbers
>>>>>to the top of the page, but that's pretty tedious.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, and I'm not sure how many of the volumes in this collection
>>>>>are in bookshare, but they would have been validated by someone
>>>>>else, so I don't know if they would have the story titles or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>Misha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob wrote:
>>>>>>I have just downloaded "
>>>>>>Thunder and Roses: The Complete Stories of Theodore
>>>>>>Sturgeon, Volume 4" listed in the new books section of the website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a great scan and validation: except for one minor
>>>>>>problem. The story titles are missing from the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think the story titles are
>>>>>>somewhat important in a collection of short stories, unless
>>>>>>you are willing to read the book from cover to cover, or don't
>>>>>>mind having your point of view wrenched drastically from one
>>>>>>point-of-view/ character/setting to another one without warning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think I can fix the problem fairly easily, as long as the
>>>>>>page numbers in the book correspond to the page numbers in the
>>>>>>table of contents. What do I do then? I will wind up with a
>>>>>>.kes file that can be converted to an .rtf file. Can I get my
>>>>>>amended version put back into the collection?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I presume there are at least three previous books in this
>>>>>>series. Are they also missing story titles?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful,
>>>>>>committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is
>>>>>>the only thing that ever has."--Margaret Mead
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