And the sad thing about this is that most models could be easily made. smile. I guess I am one of those blessed women wo can spacially and visually understand things quite well, smile. But as for algebra, I was one of those who flourished in geometry. But it is experience and representing three dementional objects in diagrams are hard. but there are ways to teach people to recognize different shapes from models it just takes time, most vision teachers don't have smile, as of the shortage. Shelley L. Rhodes and Judson, guiding golden juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc. Graduate Advisory Council www.guidedogs.com The vision must be followed by the venture. It is not enough to stare up the steps - we must step up the stairs. -- Vance Havner