Hi Jill, Oh, yes, respecting line endings would be good. The book is poetry. Or I should say that I assume it is as all of her other young adult fiction in the past few years has been. I think this one is too, if I am remembering correctly. Definitely, respect line endings. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:23 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me Should I use the settings to respect ends of lines as in poetry? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me > Hi Jill, > > I don't think you need to preserve images, since Cindy will have a > print copy of the book to look at. That will be all she needs. > > Good luck! These books are wonderful! And they are terrible to scan > accurately! Thank you for doing this one! > > If Cindy doesn't lose her mind, I have four more of this author's > works that are formatted similarly. > > Happy scanning. > > Mayrie > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:27 AM > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me > > Mary, as the scanner of Identical, would it be better if I preserved > images? > > I have never done this before but would be willing to read the Kurzweil > manual to help figure out what I am doing. Thank you. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mayrie ReNae" <mayrierenae@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:21 AM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me > > >> Hi Cindy, >> >> Setting indentations doesn't stick. People choose within their >> daisy readers whether they want indentations at the beginning of >> paragraphs, >> or a double line space. All lines following a hard return are indented >> in >> braille. Putting The first word of each indented line in all caps would >> work, but only if no other words are in all caps for any other reason at >> the >> beginning of lines. >> >> I do admit that seeing the dashes might be annoying, but I don't >> know of another solution for this problem. In braille they can easily be >> skipped over. With speech how much punctuation is spoken can eliminate >> having to hear them, and the reader can search for them when he/she so >> chooses. >> >> Another little possible hitch. A braille line, in many cases is >> limited to forty characters. For this reason, I'd change my previous >> recommendation that all indented lines be preceded by dashes equal to the >> number of spaces the lines are indented. I think this would be a good >> idea >> if the poem has shape, as in the case of the sword that you mentioned, so >> that the shape is maintained. However, in the books that I've looked at, >> sometimes blocks of text is offset to the right in just that blocks, or >> as >> single lines. In those cases, I think the amount of indentation isn't as >> important as the fact that the indentation exists. In such cases, I'd >> think >> that preceding these lines as a matter of course with (perhaps) four >> dashes >> would be sufficient. >> >> I can't tell you how thrilled I am that you are willing to take on >> this book! I have wanted to read this author's work since I was first >> told >> about her, but am completely unwilling to read them in any form that >> sacrifices the form of the poetry. It's important! I have tried many >> options for scanning and recognition myself, but discovered, sadly, that >> I >> can't do this work justice without the help of a sighted person.And, if, >> after you finish this one, and you aren't either ready to tear your hair >> out, or totally frustrated or discouraged, I have four other books by >> this >> author that I'd love to see made a part of the Bookshare collection and >> would be THRILLED to scan! >> >> I know that this book will be a LOT of intensive work! And I, for >> one, truly appreciate your willingness to do what is necessary to >> preserve >> the form of the poetry! >> >> If you have any other questions, please, feel free to contact me >> either off or on the list and I'll either clarify anything I've made a >> hash >> of in this note, or help you brainstorm other solutions that will >> preserve >> the poetry and maybe lessen the amount of work you have to do, while >> still >> preserving the poetry's form. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Mayrie >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Rosenthal >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:33 PM >> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Please check something for me >> >> Thanks, Mayrie. >> >> I must admit that I don't understand why setting the margins doesn't >> work. >> Making first lines indented works, or doesn't it? >> >> I did plan to use the hard return at the end of lines and asterisks >> between >> the verses. I was thinking of setting the margins initially, or first >> lines >> indented at 5 and then the words that are at the left-hand margin flush >> left. Or making the word that's at the left-hand margin Bold or caps and >> on >> a line by itself. If you think neither will work I'll use the dashes, but >> isn't that annoying, or can Braille and Daisy be set to ignore them? >> >> Cindy >>> >>> Here is what I believe will work, and the only thing that >>> probably >>> will to preserve the placing of poetry on the page where >>> the author placed >>> it. >>> >>> To indicate blank lines, place an asterisk on the blank >>> line. >>> >>> For a line that is not flush left, I'd place a dash to >>> fill up each >>> space on the line that is blank before the beginning of the >>> line. A hard >>> return at the end of every line will preserve the end of >>> the line. I would >>> use a dash for this and not an asterisk because an asterisk >>> in braille takes >>> up two spaces and that would throw off the simetry of the >>> poem. I suggest >>> dashes because we know they translate properly to both >>> daisy and brf files. >>> >>> I'm positive that my suggestion will work to preserve >>> the placement of text >>> on the page. >>> >>> Mayrie >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>> Cindy Rosenthal >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:42 PM >>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Please check something for me >>> >>> Dear Booksharians (thanks, Lissi). >>> >>> Would someone PUhLEESE download Alphabestiary by Jane Yolen >>> for me and look >>> at the poem Ant Song and tell me where it is on the page? I >>> didn't know, >>> then, that line spaces were deleted, so all the verses of >>> all the poems are >>> no doubt run together, but I need to know if my resetting >>> margins so that >>> some poems are flush left and others, like Ant Song, are >>> placed in the >>> middle of the page. >>> >>> In a while I'll be validating Identical. I've >>> looked at the book, though I >>> won't be able to get to it until I do a couple of >>> others (Jill, there's no >>> hurry), and I have several ideas what to do, but one of >>> them involves >>> changing the margins for parts. >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>> WISH LIST (CALLED REQUESTED ADDITIONS TO THE BOOKSHARE >>> COLLECTION)IS >>> AVAILABLE AT >>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/wish_list/wish_list.htm >>> www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm >>> >>> A LIST OF BOOKS CURRENTLY BEING SCANNED IS AVAILABLE AT >>> http://www.friendsofbookshare.org/ >>> www.lljfm.net/bookshare/home.htm >>> >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >>> bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject >>> line. 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