Thanks, Lissi. That's good. I like that better than picture or
illustration or ... so it's Image: and then the description itself. so it
doesn't need to be bracketed? Many thanks
On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Estelnalissi <airadil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Dear Cindy,
It’s helpful that you take time to describe the covers of books. It’s a
bonus for us readers. It sounds as if your descriptions set the tone for
the story to come. I put my descriptions in brackets, too, but now I write
the word Image: before I start the description because staff wrote to tell
me to start them that way. I liked writing Picture, drawing, graph or
whatever first, but I’ve gotten used to writing Image before the
description and it’s fine since it’s the new standard. It’s finally getting
automatic.
The only suggestion I’d make to you for covers is to write the title in
size 12 there and then in bold on the title page. Putting it in bold and
size 200 makes sense on the cover since the title is usually huge there,
but we put the title in bold and size twenty for audio, daisy navigation
and a person looking for the title only needs to find it once and on the
title page makes sense for that so they’ll get the author’s name and the
publisher all in the same place. I hope I’m not being confusing. The bottom
line is to only bold and 20 the title once in a whole book and do it on the
title page. Otherwise keep doing your covers just with the titles in size
12 and unbolded.
If it helps, this is the chart I use.
Title size 20 and bold once only on the title page.
Major portions of a book, if there are any, size 18 and bold.
Chapter names size 16 and bold and for braille readers I write the word
chapter because braille readers don’t have font sizes to navigate by.
subsections of chapters, if there are any, size 14 and bold and I write
[subsection] for braille navigation
Everything else is size 12 and only bolded if it’s bolded in the print
book.
Picture descriptions are in brackets starting with the word, Image:.
I bet all of us have little personal quirks in the way we format which
isn’t terrible as long as we are following the required guidelines and
aren’t messing with the original text or distracting readers with
embellishments that aren’t needed. I wouldn’t worry about the way you’ve
done books differently in the past. I’ve been shocked by the lack of
sophistication in some of my earliest proofread books from 2006. All of us
who’ve been doing this for a long time have changed our ways many, many
times as Bookshare staff has requested this change and that change as the
formatting of books has evolved since the beginning when there were
practically no requirements at all. Has anyone read some of the earliest
books? We’ve really improved in good ways.
And, don’t worry about books you’ve done differently. They are still very
readable and great additions to the library.
Always with love,
Lissi
*From:* Cindy Rosenthal <grandcyn77@xxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 6:06 AM
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: another question about tbook I'm proofing
They possibly don't scan ( though Susan says that Larry' sometime gets
them tand I proof his books and include the cover don't scan but I
proof and I do describe them. With all teh other books I've proofed I've
included cover, everything written on it, like title I which I've put in 20
point Bol)d "by ... if the author is given, subtitle if it's included,
and a description of any picture or illustration, which often gives
information or an idea of what the book is about. I put it as a first page
in i brackets , e.g., [cover: The Silver Cross by B. Kent Anderson
[picture of a large medieval silver cross with a gemstone where cross
bars meetn meet. In mysteries there were pictures of possibly a body that
had been stabbed, or maybe howling dog. I think Mr. Champion's farthing
had a picture of a dark figure looking out of a lit window from the top
floor of a mansion and *Freedom Hall's* cover has a picture of columns
on the front of a square white building with a flag draped over the
entrance o(I can't remember if it's an American flag but thinking of the
story of the book it's (historical fiction it probably was)
Cidy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Roger Loran Bailey <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I don't think we scan covers. At least I have never had any luck with
trying to do so.
On 6/30/2016 12:43 AM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:
Thanks, Judy. Does that include the cover? I'll change my ways instantly
and copy the info to my notes
CINDY
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Judy s. <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Cindy, you need to go by what Bookshare calls the title page, not by
what Wikipedia says. For Bookshare, the title page is the page that has the
title, the author and the publisher.
On that page, and on that page only according to the Bookshare
proofreading guidelines, the title should be 20 points and bold. Everywhere
else the title appears it is in the same text format as the rest of the
book -- 12 points, without bolding.
Hope that helps!
Judy s.
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On 6/29/2016 11:18 PM, Cindy Rosenthal wrote:
I, then, have been doing this wrong for lo these many years. I didn't
realize that the title page had not only the title but the other info, like
the publisher, etc., so I googled and to see what exactly is teh title
page of a book )or thesis,etc. Wikipedia says : "The *title page* of a
book <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book>, thesis
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis> or other written work is the
page at or near the front which displays its title
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_%28publishing%29>. This page
contains *only* (emphasis here is mine)the title in a fashion similar
to the rest of the text within the book.
I thought that was the title page but did not think it should have the
title in " in a fashion similar to the rest of the book. Does that
necessarily mean in 12 point? Or can it mean in the same font, e.g. Times
Roman, not the same size. I've been proofing for years. I've been putting
the title in 20 point Bold both when it's on the cover and the title
page; When the title reappears on the same page as the publisher info
I put it in12 point not bold along with the rest of the page.. Should
I now change my ways? I' may be an old dog but I'm not tooold to learn new
tricks smile
Cindy
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Sandra Ryan <sjryan2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Aidee,
Yes, you should put the title standing by itself on the first page in
12-point. As you clearly understand, the title page, where it should appear
in 20-point bold, is the page with the title, author, and publisher on it.
The only place the title should appear in this larger bold font is on the
title page.
Sandi
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] another question about tbook I'm proofing
Hello All:
This is Aidee, one of the proofreaders. I have another (hopefully) tiny
question. In the book I'm working on, the very first page of the book is
just the title of the book, in 20 point and bolded. But a few pages further
on, the title of the book appears again. It looks like this.
LEIGH BARDUGO
SIX OF CROWS
HENRY HOLT AND COMPANY
NEW YORK
In the file I have, it appears as though the title is in 20 point and
bolded.
My question is this: Should I make the title of the book on the very
first page 12 point, and leave the title of the book that appears further
on at 20 points and bolded, or vice versa. This is the first time I've seen
something like this in a book I've proofed (although I've only done a few).
I looked through the list for a similar question, and I saw that a similar
case was directed to have the title on the first page be 12 points, because
it appeared by itself without the author's name.
I'd really appreciate any help, and I apologize for any and all
inconvenience.
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Aidee
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