[bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be interested in quantity
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
That's a good idea, IMO.
Cindy
--- Lora <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Jake,
>
> I'd be content to see the validator run twice, just
> after submission and
> just after validation. Throwing in the varying
> incentives for quality of
> submission was an extra.
>
> On the other hand, I've validated books with
> countless lines of dialect,
> often Victorian in nature, where the spell checker
> would give an error about
> every word or two, and the automatic rater would
> still give the book an
> excellent rating. One could argue that situations
> as you describe are the
> exceptions, but I can see how I'd be frustrated if
> it did happen. There's
> no easy answer to that one.
>
> Other solutions include:
>
> Every submission earns 2.00. When the validator
> completes the validation
> process, they have an additional field to complete,
> which is essentially a
> review of the submission. If they indicate that
> the submission was fair,
> then no additional bonus is added; good would earn
> 50 cents extra, and
> excellent would earn $1 more. Yes, there are
> problems, ranging from
> additional coding to the fact that not everyone will
> rate the quality of a
> submission the same, but it's simply another idea.
>
> And then there's the idea of not accepting fair
> books into the collection,
> but I believe much has been said about that already.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jake Brownell
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:18 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be
> interested in quantity
>
> Hi Lora, Cindy, et al,
>
> The idea of providing this percentage feedback at
> time of submission was
> passed onto the BookShare team a while back.
>
> I would hesitate to base credit or anything else on
> what the BookShare tool
> says the quality is though.
>
> I think Gerald said he had a complete Wheel of Time
> book that had been
> thoroughly read and spell checked, and the automatic
> rater dumped the rating
> at fair because of all the made up words. Now this
> book in reality took more
> work to make sure all of these things were correct,
> but he's going to get
> less credit?
>
> And I don't think that we want to have to ask the
> admins to personally
> review these books to make certain the quality was
> rated correctly so the
> correct amount of credit is applied; they're busy
> enough as it is.
>
> Automatic tools can only do so much after all, I've
> seen the adult content
> tool mark little kids books as adult, I'd really
> like to see the words it
> picked out to make that determination, smile.
>
> Just some food for thought.
>
> Jake
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:45 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to be
> interested in quantity
>
>
> >I think what E. and I mean is this: When I submit
> my validated book to the
> > admin queue, the Bookshare tools run a ranked
> spell check or some other
> > process to identify it's final quality. In
> addition to doing this at the
> > validation step, we should do it at the submission
> step. The submitter
> > then
> > receives immediate feedback as to its quality:
> fair, good or excellent,
> > and
> > the person validating already has a rough idea of
> the shape the book is
> > in.
> >
> > Bookshare could then, eventually, bar fair quality
> books from being
> > submitted ... Or implement a scheme where an
> excellent book receives $3
> > for
> > submission, a good book $2, and a fair quality
> book $1. Increase the
> > validation credit to $1, and you have a very
> equitable scale, in my mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Cindy
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 6:52 PM
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: bookshare seems to
> be interested in quantity
> >
> > E,
> >
> > I don't think bookshare checks books that are
> submitted. They go instantly
> > onto the download shelf, and aren't checked by an
> administrator until
> > uploaded after valdation--and then, I think,
> Gustavo only checks the
> > copyright info. That's the impression I get,
> anyway, given the fact that
> > books in the collection have pages missing or
> garbled, etc. It would take
> > him too long to check through the book.
> > That's what we validators are for. So unless we
> reject a book, it's going
> > to
> > be accepted by bookshare. I don't see how they can
> know what's poor
> > quality.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > - I base
> >> this suspicion on the fact that bookshare still
> permits submits of
> >> poor quality books rather than raising the bar,
> thereby making less
> >> work for validators and improving the quality of
> bookshare's
> >> collection. Bookshare for now seems to want to
> keep the bar low and
> >> strive for quantity.
> >>
> >> E.
> >> At 07:15 AM 9/26/2006, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Monica,
> >> >
> >> >I do understand that some people validate for
> >> credits, and there's nothing
> >> >at all wrong with that. On the other hand, many
> of
> >> the people on this list,
> >> >yourself included, strike me as dedicated, and
> >> willing to do a good job for
> >> >Bookshare at the same time. Originally, Evan I
> >> think it was, said that by
> >> >offering more money, people would just rush
> through
> >> their validations to get
> >> >the credits. Although this may be true for
> some, I
> >> still find it hard to
> >> >believe that most volunteers would do that.
> Didn't
> >> someone say that only
> >> >seven people paid for their memberships through
> >> their volunteer efforts?
> >> >
> >> >On the other hand, I'd rather see the pay scale
> >> changed entirely. Perhaps
> >> >$2 for submissions, and $1 for validation, would
> >> balance the scales more
> >> >equably.
> >> >
> >> >This would balance so that 25 submissions, or 50
> >> validations, would pay for
> >> >a renewal of membership.
> >> >
> >> >And if offering more for validations would cause
> >> people to race through a
> >> >validation, offering less would seem to
> encourage
> >> people to race even
> >> >faster. After all, if I'll only make fifty
> cents
> >> per validation, that means
> >> >I'll have to validate 100 books to get through
> the
> >> renewal process. Better
> >> >validate real fast!
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> >> Behalf Of Monica Willyard
> >> >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 10:50 PM
> >> >To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: a sort of raise
> for
> >> validators
> >> >
> >> >Hi, Cindy. I have a scanner and use Openbook to
> >> scan. What I was trying to
> >> >say is that without credits, I wouldn't do much
> on
> >> the validating side of
> >> >things. As it is, I do validation both for the
> >> credit and because we have a
> >> >pretty hefty step 1 page right now. Lora was
> >> talking about not validating
> >> >for credits, and that is what I was responding
> to.
> >> (smile)
> >> >
> >> >Monica Willyard
> >> >
> >> >On Monday 9/25/2006 11:34 PM, you wrote:
> >> > >Monica,
> >> > >
> >> > >One gets so much more monetary credit for
> >> scanning, and all you'd
> >> > >really have to do after a scan is to check the
> >> copyright page and put
> >> > >the right info in the submission form; go
> through
> >> the book and be sure
> >> > >no pages have been omitted (we've all done
> that,
> >> and double-scanned a
> >> > >page, too); and delete junk characters; and
> run a
> >> spell-check. So you
> >> > >validate because you don't have a scanner? I
> >> think some can be had
> >> > >relatively inexpensively and it might pay you
> n
> >> the long run.
> >> > >
> >> > >I don't blame you at all for validating for
> the
> >> credits. I probably
> >> > >would work for the credits, too. I admit that
> in
> >> my lifetime I have
> >> > >volunteered my time and efforts rather than
> >> donated money, not only
> >> > >because I feel I'm being useful but because I
> >> don't have that much
> >> > >money to donate. smile
> >> > >
> >> > >Cindy
> >> >
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