Hello, Charlie: You have not posted in a long time. <smile> That did answer my question annd you didn't muddy the waters as you feared. <<smile> Thanks so much! Sue S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Wadman To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: ellipses replacing periods? May I, as a braille transcriber, inject a note here? In braille the ellipsis is three consecutive dots: 3,3,3 and is spaced just like a word. The problem of an ellipsis at the end of a sentence is determining which period (in print) is the sentence ending and which is the ellipse. They are the same symbol in print. The period would be shown in braille as dots 2,5,6. This is often a judgement call for the transcriber. Sometimes an ellipsis is shown in braille as dots 2,5,6 2,5,6 2,5,6 usually separated by spaces. This is one of the imperfections of all computer translation programs that I know of. To the program a period is a period is a period. If I encounter such false ellipses when validating a .brf file, I change them to a genuine braille ellipsis. Hope I haven't muddied any waters. Charlie At 02:09 AM 7/30/2005 -0700, you wrote: Hi, Cindy. No. In braille and in print, ellipses are used in the same way. It just doesn't look right in braille if the periods are spaced apart, as apparently they are in print, but in braille, they're not. In braille, there is no space between one word, the ellipses and the next word, so you'd right a word...then the next word. Take care. Julie Morales inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email): mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx