Dear Lori,You may be new, but you aren't missing a thing. In fact, I think you just wrote the manual on the subject of page breaks and numbering. . hahahah
There are surprises in almost every book you validate. Your good judgment will kick in and you'll usually get a feeling if you can work with what you have or if something is too far off to patch together!
If the page breaks and numbers seem pretty regular, it's the standard thing to assume they are placed properly.
When I really worry is when there is text missing around the page breaks, but I'd say that they have been very reliable and easy for me to trust in over 95 per cent of the books I've validated.
I did have a book that was great for over a hundred pages. Then there were 2 page numbers and page breaks right together, then 2 pages of text, like this
158 page break 159 page breakWhen this pattern started, I didn't want to waste all of the validating I'd already done, and I was enjoying the book. I noticed a gap in spacing in the double long blocks of text which I could hear because Jaws said about four blanks there. I put the extra page break and second page number in those blanks and felt very sure the book was in tact. The pattern was there and I didn't mind moving the breaks and numbers to the proper places. This went on for over a hundred pages. In the last third of the book, the breaks and numbers were correct again! It's your time, and you get to decide what is worth the extra work.
I don't fret about what a scanner did or didn't do or could have but didn't do. If I like a project, and have enough to work with, that I can upload a tidy file, I'm excited and proud to be adding another book to the collection. Twice in the two years I've been validating I've rejected a book. In both cases, I was lucky and contacted the scanner. After discussing the problems, I rejected with the scanner's blessing. If I couldn't contact the scanner, I still think of rejecting as a positive thing. It gets the book off step one limbo where it may have wasted many validator's time, and rejecting sets the stage for the book to get a better scan. It just occurred to me that if I like a book that I reject because it looks unsalvageable, I can put it on the wish list where it can get a new scanner's attention.
So, if it's something you feel you can fix, you do, and if the book is chaotic and you are awash in guessing you can reject or put the book back on step one in case you suspect someone can make sense of it.
The cool thing about validating is that you can be free to enjoy your work. If a book gets stressful, you can learn from it, and if it gets too frustrating it's perfectly acceptable to pass it on or shuffle it out of the system.
Always with love, Lissi----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Castner" <loralee.castner@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback for the manual
Okay, am I confused or not about this thread.If I download a book to validate it, I am going to look for page breaks and for page numbers. If both are there, and if the page numbers are in consecutive order, then I am going to assume logically that all is correct.If on the other hand, I do not find page breaks 90 percent of the time then I am going to reject the book. This situation of a missing page break would be identified if there is a page number at the top of a page but no page break before it or a page number at the bottom of the page with no page break after it.If I find page breaks and page numbers, but the page numbers are out of sequence, some are missing, then I may need to reject the book, upload it for someone else to look athwho can compare it with the print book, or ask some questions on this list.But if I see page breaks and sequential page numbers than I have to assume that they match the print pages.I'm fairly new to volunteering, so am I missing something here! Lori Castner----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Hawthorne" <hathorn@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback for the manualHuh? Then how does one correct it? Nan -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jill O'Connell Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:38 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback for the manual In my opinion, you don't. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan Hawthorne" <hathorn@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback for the manualQuestion: how do you know whether the page breaks and page numbers are correct if you aren't comparing the download to the print copy? Nan -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:08 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: feedback for the manual Mayrie, I think you steps are excellent, only I do them in a different order. If one reads the book correcting as one goes, then the first six items on your list are done while doing the last two, i.e., reading and enjoying oneself. When I've finished, I do a final spell-check and, like someone else mentioned, I usually find a scanno I've missed; and I do a final page-number check. I've found that sometimes I get so involved in the story that I've forgotten to put in a page break or page number or repeated the number. smile Cindy --- Mayrie ReNae <mrenae@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hi Nan, I noticed your message when you posted it, and have been pondering it. When I started volunteering for BookShare, I almost made for myself the kind of check list that you are talking about. Early on, I always felt as though I had forgotten to do something. So, I'll give you a list of the things that I try to do with a book to make sure that it is in the best shape that I know how to make it. It is likely that others will either add to, or subtract from this list. I'll try to be concise, as a check list should be. If you would like more detailed instructions for any of the steps, just ask. I'm absolutely positive that folks will help you. They did me. The order in which you do things is completely up to you. This is just an idea. I hope that perhaps it will help you a little. Now, watch, I'll forget to put something on the list, just as I am always afraid that I'll leave some step undone. My list will be below. Peace, Mayrie Check that all copyright information is present and legible. Check that all pages of the book are present. Remove headers. Protect page numbers. Protect chapter titles. Seek out common scanning errors and correct them. Do some sort of spell check. Sit back and read, fixing as you go anything wrong that any of these steps missed. Enjoy yourself!!! At 06:46 AM 8/16/2007, you wrote: >Something I would find quite hellpful is some sort of checklist for >validation.. something easy to refer to. I am sure that would be helpful >for scanners as well. There is nothing wrong with how this is presented in >the manual now, but offering it in an extra neat little package would be >wonderful. > >Nan > > > To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to >bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a >list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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