[bksvol-discuss] Re: link for gift subscription
- From: "Janice Carter" <Janice.C@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 15:55:09 -0800
Great idea to revisit the use of credits for new members. Give us a
couple of weeks to come up with some suggestions.
As far as "poor Gustavo," yes, he has been carrying quite a lot over the
past six months (as are lots of others at Benetech). Good news is a
major grant has been given to Benetech so we get to open the job
requisition for more staff to manage the Bookshare.org collection and
production of same.
Please take a moment to jump with joy. More details in Gustavo's
newsletter next week.
On the road until next Thursday....
Janice
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E.
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:06 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: link for gift subscription
I understand why not giving away personal credits could be discouraged.
I
am not talking about that. I am talking about giving someone something
toward a subscription using credit cards. I think it might increase the
money flow some and not be much trouble to set up.
E.
At 06:57 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
>I tried a couple of years ago to give my credits to
>someone who might need them,but Jesse said it wasn't
>possible for two reasons; one wouldn't apply to gift
>certificates, but the other was some kind of a
>technical transferring problem. Maybe that doesn't
>apply any more. I think gift certificates is a great
>idea. Mostly what I give my adult children for
>Christmas is give certificates to stores where they
>usually shop.
>
>Cindy
>
>--- tom hawkins <tjhawk1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Since it seems that increasing our membership is
> > also part of the issue
> > maybe a sponsorship using credits earned from
> > scanning and validating.
> > Perhaps there sighted folks in schools or where ever
> > that would recomend
> > canidates. Once a member likely is some of them
> > will stick. Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:26 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] link for gift subscription
> >
> >
> > > What about a link so someone can give you a gift?
> > They could give you a
> > > renewal of an existing subscription all or in
> > part. Would this be
> > > possible using, say, credit cards. Kind of like
> > me buying someone a $20
> > > gift certificate at Amazon. The agreement might
> > be that the $20 is to be
> > > applied to an account. Hope this makes sense. I
> > want a way so someone
> > > could give someone else $20 or something in case
> > the giver does not wish
> > > to pay for a whole year's subscription.
> > >
> > > It might be a fun thing for the community to be
> > able to gift each other in
> > > that way. We could send each other gift
> > certificates.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > At 12:34 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > >>Tom,
> > >>
> > >>Since you're obviously wondering why you as a
> > volunteer couldn't be
> > >>allowed to help with approvals, let me explain the
> > issues. BTW, You
> > >>aren't the first volunteer to wonder about this,
> > and certainly won't be
> > >>the last. I had seen this issue brought up
> > earlier this year, so I asked
> > >>Gustavo the question several months back when I
> > began monitoring the list
> > >>because I knew it would eventually pop up again
> > and wanted to be prepared
> > >>if it did.
> > >>
> > >>Time isn't the issue here. It's money. An
> > administrator needs to be a
> > >>paid employee in order to have accountability.
> > Bookshare has legal
> > >>obligations to meet every time they add a book to
> > the collection. If an
> > >>employee adds books to the collection without
> > ensuring that those legal
> > >>obligations are met, then they can be held
> > accountable. Volunteers can
> > >>not. There is also the issue that it would
> > probably take a considerable
> > >>number of books in the collection with incorrect
> > titles, authors, or
> > >>copyright info before the problem could be
> > discovered. if the problem
> > >>gets that far, then Bookshare has a serious
> > problem to deal with. Also,
> > >>accountability means possibly losing your job, not
> > losing your membership.
> > >>
> > >>There is also the issue of administrators having
> > access to members' and
> > >>volunteers' personal information since that info
> > is probably kept in the
> > >>same database or on the same system.
> > >>
> > >>As for Gustavo handling the load by himself at
> > this time, He seems quite
> > >>capable of doing so, so I wouldn't worry about him
> > having to do it all by
> > >>himself right now. There will no doubt come a
> > time in the future when he
> > >>will no longer be able to carry the load without
> > help, and Bookshare will
> > >>address that problem when it occurs. Hopefully
> > Bookshare will be in much
> > >>better shape financially before that does occur
> > and can hire someone who
> > >>can not only share in some of the responsibility
> > of approving books, but
> > >>can act as a volunteer coordinator as well which
> > will free up Gustavo and
> > >>Janice to focus on all of the other tasks they
> > were doing before Marissa
> > >>left for graduate school.
> > >>
> > >>BTW, don't worry about venting on the list. A
> > certain amount of that is
> > >>not only expected, but healthy. It's only a big
> > deal when a volunteer
> > >>chooses to post about the same problem day after
> > day after day.
> > >>
> > >>HTH
> > >>
> > >>Gerald
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of tom hawkins
> > >>Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:13 AM
> > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: venting my
> > frustrations
> > >>
> > >>Hi Gerald, I apologize for venting. I understand
> > the book being kicked
> > >>back under the circumstances. I didn't know that
> > Gustavo was doing all of
> > >>the administrator approvals.But then the question
> > remains, Why is Gustavo
> > >>trying to carry the entire program on his back? I
> > know money is an issue,
> > >>but cirtainly there is some way through some of
> > these problems. I don't
> > >>have a million to donate, but I do have time. Is
> > there something I can do
> > >>to help? Tom
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: <mailto:geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>Gerald Hovas
> > >>To:
> >
><mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:55 PM
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: venting my
> > frustrations
> > >>
> > >>Tom,
> > >>
> > >> From what Gustavo has told me, the most common
> > error related to filling
> > >> out the copyright fields on the submission form
> > is entering the publisher
> > >> in the copyright name field instead of the
> > copyright holder. Because he
> > >> has to kick so many books back due to this error,
> > you should always
> > >> provide information about the copyright holder in
> > the comments field when
> > >> the copyright holder turns out to be the
> > publisher after all. In this
> > >> instance, I believe it is well worth the trouble
> > of verifying the
> > >> copyright holder through an internet site like
> > >> <http://www.copyright.gov>www.copyright.gov or
> > through sighted assistance
> > >> then including a comment informing him that you
> > have verified that the
> > >> copyright is actually the publisher and include
> > an explanation of how you
> > >> went about verifying it. If the book isn't a new
> > release, then I'd
> > >> recommend using the
> > <http://www.copyright.gov>www.copyright.gov site
> > >> since Gustavo can reference the site if he
> > wishes.
> > >>
> > >>As for opening the book up and looking for
> > himself, that isn't always the
> > >>most reliable way to verify something as important
> > as the copyright
> > >>information since the volunteers who are putting
> > the publisher in the
> > >>copyright name field by accident could have been
> > confused enough about
> > >>copyright to have changed that line before
> > submission. Granted that it's
> > >>unlikely, but if I were in Gustavo's shoes, I
> > wouldn't feel comfortable
> > >>about trusting the contents of a submission by
> > someone who couldn't fill
> > >>the form out properly due to a possible lack of
> > understanding of
> > >>copyright.
> > >>
> > >>I understand your frustration, but when you take
> > into consideration the
> > >>number of books Gustavo has actually approved this
> > year, it's
> > >>understandable if he accidentally kicks one back
> > by accident every now and
> > >>then. I'm not sure, but I believe Marissa
> > approved a handful of the 4900
> > >>books which have been added so far this year.
> > Even if she did, I'd
> > >>suspect that Gustavo's approved at least 4700 of
> > those 4900 books, if not
> > >>4850 of them. With that many books being
> > approved, it's bound to happen
> > >>since he is always going to err on the side of
> > caution since adding a book
> > >>to the collection which has incorrect copyright
> > information has the
> > >>potential to be a more serious problem than
> > frustrating a volunteer over
> > >>getting their book kicked back by accident.
> > >>
> > >>BTW, the staff is aware that it would be helpful
> > for the system to notify
> > >>a volunteer when one of their validations is
> > kicked back or accepted. As
> > >>long as Bookshare has limited resources though,
> > Engineering will have to
> > >>postpone some upgrades which volunteers want in
> > order to make improvements
> > >>which will have a greater impact on members and
> > volunteers.
> > >>
> > >>Again, I understand your frustration. I've had a
> > book kicked back on me
> > >>too, and from what Gustavo and I were able to
> > determine, it was due to
> > >>nothing more than his approving books when he
> > should have been in bed
> > >>instead. My kickback didn't even happen to have a
> > note. It just looked
> > >>like Gustavo clicked the wrong button because he
> > was tired.
> > >>
> > >>Gerald
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > Behalf Of tom hawkins
> > >>Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:55 PM
> > >>To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>Cc: Gustavo Galindo
> > >>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] venting my frustrations
> > >>
> > >>Hi Everyone,
> > >>
> > >>Well I' am totally frustrated with bookshare and
> > the lack of simple
> > >>communication procedures. I spent a great deal of
> > time validating a book
> > >>to make as near perfect as possible including
> > using my wife's time which
> > >>she treasures dearly. I went to the step one list
> > to see if any of the
> > >>Dale Brown books that I submitted nearly three
> > months ago were returned,
> > >>only to find the book that I just validated back
> > on the step one list and
> > >>no communication from bookshare. When I checked
> > the notes, the
> > >>administrator apparently did not like the
> > copyright.
> > >>
> > >> Well a publisher is clearly listed as the
> > copyright holder. So now what
> > >> does it take to fix the problem! If the
> > administrator took a moment to
> > >> open the book it clearly states that the
> > copyright holder is the
> > >> publishing company as listed. Is there some
> > special miracle to be
> > >> performed? I have decided not to list the
> > problems that I encountered
> > >> with the web site, as Iwell it seems that the
> > designer was a mouse user
> > >> and could see what they were doing.
> > >>
> > >>Tom
> > >
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