Sarah, As I've explained on the list in the past and in one of the tips on Jake's website, Bookshare hasn't added additional requirements to make you jump through hoops to verify data. Based on talks with the staff, though, it's obvious that some volunteers don't know how to fill out the form correctly. They enter the wrong information or don't bother to verify that the information entered matches the book during validation. Because of these volunteers, Gustavo sometimes questions valid info because it's not what he's expecting and kicks it back to Step 1 for verification. Sometimes he's spotted an error and doesn't bother to be specific about what he found, and at other times I think he's just looking for reassurance that the volunteer understands what they're doing. In some instances he may also just be trying to make a point to certain people that they need to do a better job when he could probably fix the errors himself. There's also an issue here related to trust with the authors and publishers. Bookshare's ability to make books available is due to the cooperation of publishers in sponsoring the change to copyright law which makes Bookshare possible. As part of their help, they asked for certain guarantees to make sure their authors and business wasn't hurt due to the distribution of their books via this type of service. Bookshare has gone to a lot of effort to not only put measures in place to help keep the service from being abused, but goes to extra effort to make sure that the data entered for a book is correct. This cautiousness related to taking a volunteer's word that they have entered the data correctly and know what they are doing sometimes causes the approval process to be more difficult than we might like. It's the price we have to pay occasionally to have access to the books. OK, what can you do to minimize the impact to your own volunteering? Well, of course you should double check everything on the form before uploading the book. This can prevent you from having a book kicked back due to an error which you made yourself. You can also provide information in the comments to reassure Gustavo that you have done a proper job. For example, adding comments to let him know that you went to the trouble to double check the information on the form or adding comments to assure him that you understand concepts like copyright. By that I mean don't just tell him "I verified it when he asks for verification". Tell him HOW you verified the information. This might be by looking up the copyright information on copyright.gov or verifying the title or author on a publisher's website or a well-known site which sells books like Amazon. It might also be as simple as copying and pasting the copyright notice into the comments field to make it easy for Gustavo to glance at and see it for himself. The last thing Gustavo wants to do is have to open up a book and go looking at the scan to see what information is there, especially when he has a large backlog due to focusing on other responsibilities or being out of the office for needed personal time. Now do you have to do these things for every book? No. As I said, Bookshare hasn't added additional steps to the volunteering process. It's possible though that if you do the very minimum however, that you run the risk of having a book kicked back due to Gustavo playing it safe. Most of the time it won't come back to haunt you, but occasionally it will, and in rare instances it doesn't matter how much trouble you might go to because an admin is only human and will occasionally kick a book back by mistake. Now what are some of us doing to help the situation from a volunteering standpoint. We're attempting to get Bookshare to release better instructions/guidelines for volunteering. Carrie began the effort a year ago by getting permission to write and post guidelines for entering data on the forms. This info is posted on Jake's website. I have recently updated this info to include fields which she assumed everyone would understand, like the copyright fields, and provided some examples to demonstrate how to determine what information should be entered. We hope to get this finalized and posted soon. Several of us have also been working on a more extensive upgrade to the volunteering instructions which we hope to get the staff's help on with finalizing and releasing to the volunteering community. This revision is based on things we've learned through the bksvol-discuss list and by talks with the staff, as well as by digging through all of the available information which is scattered through out the website and a few other documents to which the staff gave us access, like the information they've prepared for conferences and schools. I'm sorry if this doesn't happen to address the issue to your satisfaction, but this is the best the Volunteer Tech Advisor group can do at this time to help. HTH Gerald -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sarah J. Blake Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:13 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] question about copyright verification I've tried asking this several times and am not sure if I'm just missing the answer in the volume of mail or if it hasn't been answered... I often have books kicked back to step 1 with the message, "please verify the author" (or editor or copyright holder). I am unsure why this is necessary since this information matches in the submission information and in what appears in the scan. Is this some kind of new requirement we're supposed to do in the validation process, going to the Library of Congress and searching for this info? I have looked all over the Bookshare iste for the validation instructions to try and find this out for myself, and I'm not finding those either. I would really appreciate an answer to this. I enjoy validating, but not when I have to waste a lot of time verifying information that is in plain site. I could understand it if the information in the submission and the scan did not match; but it does seem like the validation process is becoming more and more arduous. It's very discouraging to spend a long time reading through a book, correcting errors that don't go through the spell checker, etc, only to have it show back up on the step 1 page because I didn't know I was supposed to go look on the LOC page for info that's already there. Sarah J. Blake Personal mail to: sjblake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. 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