Dear Wilfried, dear CTalk members
I am new to this forum and see this as an opportunity to be more in contact
with what is
going on in the Constellation world and to learn about the different views.
Thank you for your clear words, Wilfried.
Watching the youtube videos about Pichl I was between laughing and crying. It
looked like
a propaganda clip for a sect to me.
(If somebody wants to share translating the article Wilfried is refering to,
please let me
know, at the moment I do not have the time for all of it.)
Verena Giebels
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wilfriednelles" <nelles@...> wrote:
Dear Theresa and all others,The
it really hurts me when I read that Sophie's effort to make people scream
"yes" could be
connected with the German culture. Every serious constellator here is upset
with the way
she is acting and how she is dominating Bert and is denouncing other
facilitators. If she
would not have become Bert's wife nobody would take notice of her. Apart from
this:
camp in Pichl (Austria) is for an international audience. So far Sophie (byor
the way: She is
not German, but Hungarian-Austrian) used this methods only with this kind of
audience
in foreign countries like Spain or South / Central America. I don't thinkI
that she would
dare to do this kind of work in Germany with a German audience.
But to say this frankly: It is BERT how gives her the power, and so HE is
responsible.
Another thing: I read that you have been told that Bert did reconciliation
work in South
Africa. This is not true. He has not been in South Africa after he left the
country in 1968.
wonder which fairytales go around about Bert.example
In general I would like to say something to the discussions in this forum
about Bert and
Sophie:
I really wonder what strange opinions and false informations are shared here,
for
when people are speculising about exclusion of Bert and father and sun anddoes
so on. It
seems that people cannot resist to spread their opinions allthough they don't
have any
knowledge about the facts.
Just a few facts: As one of the two organizers of the International
Conferences 2005 and
2007 in Cologne I have to say that we did everything that was possible to
avoid a split
between Bert and the constellation scene and it's associations. The fact is,
that BERT
WANTED THE SPLIT. Why? Because Sophie wanted it in order to build up her own
field
which is now called Hellinger sciencia. She presents Bert as a victim (and he
himself
this too), but that's rediculous.himself!
Nobody of the leading German constellators wanted to exclude him, he excluded
2007 we made every effort to have him in the same leading position as ever inattacks
the
conference but he didn't want. 2005 I published a book to defend him against
the
from the media and against his critics in psychotherapy, and together withBreuer
Heinrich
I edited a book that we dedicated to him as a commemorative publication towhich
his 80's
birthday. But when we stated that there are also developments in
constellation work
are not initiated by Bert, and that other facilitators too contributed a lotwhat's
to the work we
were identified by Sophie as his enemies.
This is very, very sad and I can understand that it is hardly to believe for
people who
experience Bert only in his work, but it is the truth, and you who do not
really know
going on here should be a little bit more careful with your opinions.projections.
And, please, don't come with those simple interpretations like father and son
People who were very close to Bert and broke with him are not that childish,as
at least not
all of them! I never took him as my father, but when once I refused to be
treated by him
his son or as his deciple he turned away from me. Bert himself (or Sophie,now
which means
the same) presents himself as the father or the mother of the work. That's
their creation.
That means that all the others are children, and those who regard themselves
as adult
people and don't take that parent-child relation are blamed. Since Sophie has
taken the
lead they are on a way to become a sect with one Guru and his manager and
their
followers.
Bert is telling everywhere that many of us who are succsessful facilitators
have stolen his
ideas and his work. Until 2005 he never claimed that he is the owner of those
ideas,
suddenly he claims them as his property. Before she knew Bert, Sophie was myalso
group
organizer and student. If I had the same attitude like she and Bert I could
easily say that
she has stolen my work. Bert had some great insights, but they did not come
from god
(that's what he is saying now, that his ideas came directly from god and that
he was
choosen and so everything must have his name on it) but from the field of
human
consciousness and knowledge. And if it should be true that he was chosen then
I have
been chosen and you too. I am sorry but I have to say that in the last 3simply
years he is
telling a lot of rubbish. I guess this is very painful to face for everybodyin
who loves what
this great man has created. Please believe me that I had to go through a very
painful
process of disillusion (like many collegues in Germany who were very close to
him) but
the end I am grateful and free.person)
I am still grateful to the immense gifts I received through his work, I still
give him my
reference in my workshops, trainings, and books, I still acknowledge his
practical work
and deep insights, but I also see his limitations and his faults, and I
clearly disagree with
the idea of a "Hellinger Sciencia" (as if there could be a science that is
owned by a
and - above all - with the politics of Bert and Sophie and the way they treatwould
people as
"enemies" who just follow their own insights.
For those who are interested in the methodological and philosophical
implications I
like to mention my article "Klassisches Familienstellen - Bewegungen dercould
Seele -
Bewegungen des Geistes" (Classical Family Constellations - Movements of the
Soul -
Movements of the Spirit"). It is published in the German Journal "Praxis der
Systemaufstellung" and also translated into Spanish. Maybe their is somebody
who
translate it into English, you can download it from my website
www.wilfried-nelles.de.
Wilfried Nelles, PhD, MA, Germany
Author of 6 books about Constellation Work
Co-Chairman of the 5th and 6th International Congress on Systemic
Constellations
