Sorry to intervene, but I think we have to avoid to mash up astrology with
systemic constellation
Best
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[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Maria Dolenc
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:01 AM
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Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Astrology Family Constellations workshop
Hello All.
I have been invited to present - Astrology Family Constellations
workshop - in one of the Institutes in Sydney. I have never heard
of Astrology constellations before .. Any suggestions welcome. Sound
exciting and ?? !!!
Warm regards Maria
On 07/03/2013, at 3:23 AM, Deborah Gavrin Frangquist wrote:
Sheila, thank you for reminding us of the very important point that
it is not up to the facilitator to know what is "good" in the
context of the client's healing.
My stance - insofar as I have words for it - is that as facilitator
I am in a position to notice patterns which may be invisible to a
person who is in the midst of them and I have tools which can loosen
those patterns and provide more opportunity for those patterns to
untangle themselves. I do believe that such loosening, such
untangling, always tends toward healing - but I don't have the
knowledge to know how that healing will show up in a person's life.
So as facilitator I am paying attention with all my senses to
patterns and especially to where there is tension or ease in those
patterns - and to decrease tension and increase ease where I can.
(To "facilitate" actually means to "ease.") But I do my best to let
go of my own opinions about what would be a "good outcome" for the
client. That's not my job - and when I get caught up in my own
opinions of what is "good," I am likely to be less capable of
decreasing tension and allowing for more ease for the client.
Deborah Gavrin Frangquist
Career & Life Design for Professionals, Artists & Executives
415-346-6121; mobile 415-642-0225
www.ChosenFutures.com
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, sheila saunders wrote:
the definition of "good". I actually have no idea what is "good" for
Jack, et al.,
This is such an interesting topic. For me the distinction involves
a client. Western medicine tends to overshadow the definition for
many people in the western world, and in that paradigm "good" is an
absence of symptoms. I have used alternative medicine all my life
and am quite accustomed to the "aggravation" that often comes when a
healing process is activated and one is on the way to a cure.
their process or are they on their way up? I don't know. Perhaps
When the client reaches me, are they still on the way down in
they will feel disappointed with the work, or confused, or elated,
or surprised. I don't know. All reactions are possible.
some knowledge about how to use it. I'm happy to share this tool
All I do know is that I come to the interaction with a tool and
with those who are in the process of looking for something in their
life. As Stephan Hausner and others have said, "all healing is self
healing." If I can assist in activating a client's ability to self
heal with the tool that I enjoy using, I'm happy to do so. Which
direction that healing takes them is not my business; I have no idea
what their path is. I don't define the outcome as either "good" or
"bad". Sometimes I feel disappointed in myself, or have come up
against my own limitations or in some other way my ego intrudes, but
I have not felt the need to judge an outcome experienced by the
client. Even on the few occasions when a client has gotten very
angry with me. I use such events to learn from, and do examine my
part, but try not to take this personally. As observers, myself and
my colleagues have often seen outcomes that we might judge as
negative only to find out that there was immediate improvement in a
client's symptoms thereafter. So I leave the outcome up the the soul
of the client, and I keep watch on my soul, what I am learning
through these interactions with the field, and where I am going on
my own path.
since I began offering workshops. Aside from an earlybird discount
On another topic, I have charged one price for all participants
open to all. Personally I am even peaved when attending a workshop
where a reduced price is offered to a couple who can have twice or
more the income I have! And I don't offer "sliding scale" either. To
me, it is as if one is saying "here is my fee but feel free to pay
me less." There are times when someone cannot pay my fee, and I
leave it to them to initiate this discussion with me. When they do,
my answer is always the same, "Pay me what you feel you can pay."
Often they respond by asking if they can pay in two or three
payments some weeks or months apart, and end up paying the full fee
over time. Sometimes they pay less than my fee, but this is actually
quite rare. I feel OK with what ever they decide, and leave the
decision in their hands. All relationships require give and take and
my job is always to maintain a balance, else this interferes with
the integrity of the relationship.
what it was! So, all for now, and so happy to see the names of so
Was going to add my 2 cents to one other topic but can't remember
many that I know and love around the world, on every continent
(except Antartica??). My best to you all. xxsheila
Sheila Saunders, RN, LMFT
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and the souls of the dead from whom we have sprung come to lavish on
"When we have passed a certain age, the soul of the child we were
us their riches and their spells." -Marcel Proust (In Search of Lost
Time)
