Dear Australia Germanicus and America Californicus,
There is a useful book,The Religion of No Religion about the American
phenomenon in California called Esalen where many close to me have taught. Once
again has everyone who utters yes, yes ,entered some kingdom?If so ,by what
name do we call it? Upon what rock, sand,trance is it built? What kind of fruit
grow in its gardens? Are the indulgencies free or are they paid on Visa or
German or American Express. When the King dies, or Peter, are there different
successor lines? Upon whom does the frock fall? Is basic training or
iniatiation required and if so who knights or blesses the iniatiates?
To trope some words from Al Gore"He who would travel fastest travels alone,he
would travel farthest travels together,and they who travel together,especially
in group induced trance states ,had best know their master.As Carl Jung
suggested when he read the dreams of those who created the at times mindless
evil of the gathering storm, we have met the enemy and they are us.
Or as someone else suggested,the true price of democracy is eternal vigilance.
Perhaps we need to know when we become enamored of the latest group phenomenon
how to ask our selves when not in the intoxicated trance whether its soul or
spirit the group is being encanted or decanted by?There are all sorts of
spirits in the spirit world and that just may be the problem as well as the
potential.By their fruits you just might know them. But then again, one might
not bother to. One more book, Ordinary Germans
Enneapsychodramatics
Dr.Joseph M. Pirone 2018033080
On Tuesday, May 20, 2008, at 01:26AM, "Max Dauskardt" <max@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Well Gary,
it is understandable you try to put
such a positive spin on those utubes,
you picture quite prominently.
You are overdoing it,
nothing wrong with a quiet yes to all that has happened,
as Bert has taught us earlier:
simply acknowledging what is,
the first step towards regaining our power
Having been to Pichl noI only
where the clips were taken
- not out of context as you try to make out,
actually embarrassingly accurate-
it feels necessary to put it on record:
Not at the end of a long days work,
rather right in the middle did it happen.
And it was not the only time during that course,
perhaps luckily for Sciencia
the other, earlier, much heavier occasion may not be
readily obtainable for the public.
I am still berating myself,
wouldn't it have been the right thing to do
to speak up there and then
and express my feeling very uncomfortable
about witnessing group techniques employed
that had been badly abused in the past.
well, Gary now is the time, thanks
Max
Melbourne, Australia
Dear Theresa,
I have been to both I & II and I can see how the Yes, clip out of context
would be disturbing. In Sophie's excitement at the end of a long days
work
we pepped up the group energy in resonance with what Bert was teaching us
about Spirit Mind.
In saying YES to Mother and Father as they were and YES to Life as it is
we
find healing and acceptance of things that cannot be changed but
transformed
through accepting EVERYTHING as it is. We didn't create dualistic thinking
but are at the affect of it. Saying "YES" frees us from fighting battles
that have been long lost etc. This Opens us up for the good stuff that was
already there which we couldn't SEE because we were so busy being Bigger,
judgmental and critical of our parents and life itself. Imagine saying YES
to everything in our past? How much energy would we save trying to change
what cannot be undone. How much energy and freedom would we have open to
us
to create a new reality? Lots. I hope this helps clarify from my Point of
View the Context of YES. it also keeps us in the present moment facing the
future and life. Namaste to all who read CT providing this great service
to
our conscious field. Sincerely, Gary Stuart LA, CA Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of theresa.guerra
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:29 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Bert Hellinger on YouTube
In researching Bert Hellinger on the Internet, I looked to see if
there were any videos about him on YouTube and sure enough, there are
dozens. But unfortunately almost all of them are in German. Some are
in Spanish and even Italian.
However, I did find two videos that were in English but they don't
show Bert Hellinger as much as his new wife Sophie leading a
constellation seminar or something at the Pichl Camp.
Pichl Camp Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL1IQCiie0
Pichl Camp Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcVGtSlvzLA
Could someone please comment on what she is doing as facilitator here?
I assume this is the new form of constellation work called working
with the spirit mind. But when she starts making people scream Yes
louder and louder --- well, frankly, it's pretty disturbing to me.
I'm trying to be non-judgmental here, so could her techniques of
facilitating be due to the differences between the cultures of Germany
and America?
Thank you again for your wonderful support.
Theresa
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