Dear all,
Re ISCA folding, seems the links with Constellations came through Bert
Hellinger, and ISCA may not have had the connections, of more than 250 people.
Still that in itself is quite a big group, so I agree with Harrison. That maybe
this group could continue in a different way, maybe simpler and with a
redefined purpose.
I think also the Bernreid intensive probably is also a bit separate, connecting
from who would feel at home in that part of the word, maybe.
Just some thoughts at the coffee shop! Have a nice day.
Love, david
www.amita-institute.com
David Mathes
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Re: The call to dissolve ISCA
by "Harrison Snow"
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Re: The call to dissolve ISCA
by "Maria Goossens"
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Re: The call to dissolve ISCA
by "Christine Rüttimann" christine.sarena@xxxxxxxxx
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Re: The call to dissolve ISCA
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Mon Oct 20, 2014 6:36 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Harrison Snow"
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Sad to see the organization fade from the scene but at least they are doing
it in a conscious way. Most groups would just stop updating their websites.
I wonder if there is a third option besides struggling to stay viable and
organizational
euthanasia?
Sincerely,
Harrison Snow
USA
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:00:08 +1100
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] The call to dissolve ISCA
Hi everyone
For those of you who don't know ISCA is the International Systemic
Constellation Association. It is the umbrella international organisation for
systemic constellation work.
Below you will find an email sent out to all its members calling for a vote to
dissolve ISCA. Dissolution requires 75% of voting members to vote yes for the
dissolution.
This has been instigated by the board without any process for debate or
discussion being set in place. The internet voting process amongst members has
now been opened by the board. Voting will close on November 7.
As this is a significant development in the field, I invite anyone who wants
to, to use constellation talk to discuss the relative merits of keeping ISCA
going or shutting it down.Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australiaph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ISCA Network <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:41 PM
Subject: End of an Era - Call for online General Assembly
To: Christopher Walsh <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear Christopher Walsh,
ISCA�s Board and Lutz Bessel our Business Manager have been involved over the
last months in an intense process, discussion and debate regarding ISCA�s
future. This process has included physical meetings, online exchanges and
several Organisational Constellations that have helped us clarify the dynamics,
options and decisions regarding our organisation.
It is now time to share this process with all members and request their
support in the decision we have unanimously reached. First a brief summary of
the facts: ISCA was founded in May 2007 and legally registered under German Law
as a non profit organisation. Current membership has remained stable at around
250 for the past 4 years. Over the years a number of initiatives have been
launched, originating from the Board, from ISCA�s two gatherings and from
suggestions received from members. These have included: Research Project,
Curriculum Documentation, Ethics, Project Sponsorship. After some initial
interest and support, actual member involvement in these activities at any one
point in time can be counted with a single hand.
The income from the annual Membership fee of Euros 60 is not sufficient to
cover the expenses of an organisation like ISCA, especially regarding its
possibility to fund website developments, research and other activities to
further ISCA�s objectives and development. To illustrate this point the
difference between income and expenses for 2011, 2012 and 2013 has been
respectively EU 2.759, (6.942) and (5.836).The Board observes lots of activity
in the worldwide Constellations community and given the previous assessment,
has reached the conclusion that although there is energy, interest and activity
regarding Constellations, the time is not yet right for an open, all inclusive
organisation like ISCA. It is possible that the field still needs to mature
into a clearer structure of national organisations and possibly also, there
will at some point be a requirement for an international body that helps to
regulate our activities. This is well beyond ISCA�s terms of reference and the
vision and mission that have guided us.
Call for online General Assembly to dissolve ISCA As a result of the process
and discussions outlined above and in accordance with ISCA�s Charter of
Association the Board is convening an Online General Assembly to be held
between October 19th and November 2nd, 2014. At this General Assembly, members
will be asked to vote on the Board�s proposal to DISSOLVE the Association in
accordance with the process established in the Charter and according to German
Law. You will receive via e-mail the necessary instructions regarding the
online secure voting procedure. For its approval, the proposed dissolution
requires 75% of the votes issued at this General Assembly. The Charter
establishes that any funds remaining after dissolving the Association shall be
donated to: �H�user der Hoffnung � Schulbildung f�r die Dritte Welt,
gemeinn�tziger e.V., c/o Weber, Schlosshof 6, D-69168, Wiesloch,
www.haeuser-der-hoffnung.org, which shall use them exclusively for charity
purposes�. This charity�s name in English translates as: �Homes of Hope �
Schooling for the Third World� and its activities are mainly based in Mali
(Africa) where it teaches young girls competencies that improve their work
prospects. It is also important to note that the International Systemic
Intensive held annually at Bernried (close to M�nich, Germany) will continue
under the organisation and leadership of Lutz Bessel. The Board�s proposal The
ISCA Board and its Business Manager have unanimously reached the conclusion
that ISCA is not at this time a viable organisation and propose to this online
General Assembly the Association�s dissolution in accordance with ISCA�s
charter. In case of this vote being approved by 75% of voting members at the
Assembly, the Board will be mandated by this General Assembly to complete the
Association�s dissolution as established by its Charter and by German Law. This
mandate will extend if necessary beyond the current Board�s period that expires
in May 2015. If the vote is not approved by the necessary majority, the Board
will call for the election of a new Board and hand over its mandate in May,
2015. YES NO Membership and renewal fees Between now and November 2nd, 2014,
member registration and renewals has been suspended. If dissolution is
approved, membership and renewals will no longer be available at the ISCA site.
If the General Assembly does not approve dissolution by the required vote,
membership and renewals will once again become available. We thank you for your
support over these years and please let us have any questions regarding this
process at info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Clare Crombie (President) Brendan O�Brien
(Vice President) Tom�s Kohn (Treasurer) Lutz Bessel (Business
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Re: The call to dissolve ISCA
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Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:02 am (PDT) . Posted by:
"Maria Goossens"
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Hi everyone,
Personally, I think there is a place in this world for an organization as ISCA.
An organization as ISCA can make a link between the field work and the more
academic world of science.
The organization of congresses placing constellations in the actual scientific
world, as it has been done in 2013 in Copenhagen is a real added value.
Performing trials with constellations is inevitable for the future.
And in the third place, there are also the ethical aspects. On the on hand
side, there are no limitations for constellations. On the other hand, there are
limitations, moral, ethical, apart from the invisible bounderies which we
experience whether or not consciously.
Best wishes,
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 19 okt. 2014, om 23:00 heeft Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> het volgende geschreven:
Hi everyone
For those of you who don't know ISCA is the International Systemic
Constellation Association. It is the umbrella international organisation for
systemic constellation work.
Below you will find an email sent out to all its members calling for a vote
to dissolve ISCA. Dissolution requires 75% of voting members to vote yes for
the dissolution.
This has been instigated by the board without any process for debate or
discussion being set in place. The internet voting process amongst members
has now been opened by the board. Voting will close on November 7.
As this is a significant development in the field, I invite anyone who wants
to, to use constellation talk to discuss the relative merits of keeping ISCA
going or shutting it down.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ISCA Network <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:41 PM
Subject: End of an Era - Call for online General Assembly
To: Christopher Walsh <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear Christopher Walsh,
ISCA�s Board and Lutz Bessel our Business Manager have been involved over
the last months in an intense process, discussion and debate regarding
ISCA�s future. This process has included physical meetings, online exchanges
and several Organisational Constellations that have helped us clarify the
dynamics, options and decisions regarding our organisation.
It is now time to share this process with all members and request their
support in the decision we have unanimously reached.
First a brief summary of the facts:
ISCA was founded in May 2007 and legally registered under German Law as a
non profit organisation. Current membership has remained stable at around
250 for the past 4 years.
Over the years a number of initiatives have been launched, originating from
the Board, from ISCA�s two gatherings and from suggestions received from
members. These have included: Research Project, Curriculum Documentation,
Ethics, Project Sponsorship. After some initial interest and support, actual
member involvement in these activities at any one point in time can be
counted with a single hand.
The income from the annual Membership fee of Euros 60 is not sufficient to
cover the expenses of an organisation like ISCA, especially regarding its
possibility to fund website developments, research and other activities to
further ISCA�s objectives and development. To illustrate this point the
difference between income and expenses for 2011, 2012 and 2013 has been
respectively EU 2.759, (6.942) and (5.836).
The Board observes lots of activity in the worldwide Constellations
community and given the previous assessment, has reached the conclusion that
although there is energy, interest and activity regarding Constellations,
the time is not yet right for an open, all inclusive organisation like ISCA.
It is possible that the field still needs to mature into a clearer structure
of national organisations and possibly also, there will at some point be a
requirement for an international body that helps to regulate our activities.
This is well beyond ISCA�s terms of reference and the vision and mission
that have guided us.
Call for online General Assembly to dissolve ISCA
As a result of the process and discussions outlined above and in accordance
with ISCA�s Charter of Association the Board is convening an Online General
Assembly to be held between October 19th and November 2nd, 2014. At this
General Assembly, members will be asked to vote on the Board�s proposal to
DISSOLVE the Association in accordance with the process established in the
Charter and according to German Law. You will receive via e-mail the
necessary instructions regarding the online secure voting procedure. For its
approval, the proposed dissolution requires 75% of the votes issued at this
General Assembly.
The Charter establishes that any funds remaining after dissolving the
Association shall be donated to: �H�user der Hoffnung � Schulbildung f�r die
Dritte Welt, gemeinn�tziger e.V., c/o Weber, Schlosshof 6, D-69168,
Wiesloch, www.haeuser-der-hoffnung.org, which shall use them exclusively for
charity purposes�. This charity�s name in English translates as: �Homes of
Hope � Schooling for the Third World� and its activities are mainly based in
Mali (Africa) where it teaches young girls competencies that improve their
work prospects.
It is also important to note that the International Systemic Intensive held
annually at Bernried (close to M�nich, Germany) will continue under the
organisation and leadership of Lutz Bessel.
The Board�s proposal
The ISCA Board and its Business Manager have unanimously reached the
conclusion that ISCA is not at this time a viable organisation and propose
to this online General Assembly the Association�s dissolution in accordance
with ISCA�s charter.
In case of this vote being approved by 75% of voting members at the
Assembly, the Board will be mandated by this General Assembly to complete
the Association�s dissolution as established by its Charter and by German
Law. This mandate will extend if necessary beyond the current Board�s period
that expires in May 2015.
If the vote is not approved by the necessary majority, the Board will call
for the election of a new Board and hand over its mandate in May, 2015.
YES
NO
Membership and renewal fees
Between now and November 2nd, 2014, member registration and renewals has
been suspended. If dissolution is approved, membership and renewals will no
longer be available at the ISCA site. If the General Assembly does not
approve dissolution by the required vote, membership and renewals will once
again become available.
We thank you for your support over these years and please let us have any
questions regarding this process at info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
Clare Crombie (President)
Brendan O�Brien (Vice President)
Tom�s Kohn (Treasurer)
Lutz Bessel (Business Manager)
Unsubscribe
Am 19.10.2014 um 23:00 schrieb "Chris Walsh chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi everyone
For those of you who don't know ISCA is the International Systemic
Constellation Association. It is the umbrella international organisation for
systemic constellation work.
Below you will find an email sent out to all its members calling for a vote
to dissolve ISCA. Dissolution requires 75% of voting members to vote yes for
the dissolution.
This has been instigated by the board without any process for debate or
discussion being set in place. The internet voting process amongst members
has now been opened by the board. Voting will close on November 7.
As this is a significant development in the field, I invite anyone who wants
to, to use constellation talk to discuss the relative merits of keeping ISCA
going or shutting it down.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ISCA Network <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:41 PM
Subject: End of an Era - Call for online General Assembly
To: Christopher Walsh <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Dear Christopher Walsh,
ISCA’s Board and Lutz Bessel our Business Manager have been involved over
the last months in an intense process, discussion and debate regarding
ISCA’s future. This process has included physical meetings, online exchanges
and several Organisational Constellations that have helped us clarify the
dynamics, options and decisions regarding our organisation.
It is now time to share this process with all members and request their
support in the decision we have unanimously reached.
First a brief summary of the facts:
ISCA was founded in May 2007 and legally registered under German Law as a
non profit organisation. Current membership has remained stable at around
250 for the past 4 years.
Over the years a number of initiatives have been launched, originating from
the Board, from ISCA’s two gatherings and from suggestions received from
members. These have included: Research Project, Curriculum Documentation,
Ethics, Project Sponsorship. After some initial interest and support, actual
member involvement in these activities at any one point in time can be
counted with a single hand.
The income from the annual Membership fee of Euros 60 is not sufficient to
cover the expenses of an organisation like ISCA, especially regarding its
possibility to fund website developments, research and other activities to
further ISCA’s objectives and development. To illustrate this point the
difference between income and expenses for 2011, 2012 and 2013 has been
respectively EU 2.759, (6.942) and (5.836).
The Board observes lots of activity in the worldwide Constellations
community and given the previous assessment, has reached the conclusion that
although there is energy, interest and activity regarding Constellations,
the time is not yet right for an open, all inclusive organisation like ISCA.
It is possible that the field still needs to mature into a clearer structure
of national organisations and possibly also, there will at some point be a
requirement for an international body that helps to regulate our activities.
This is well beyond ISCA’s terms of reference and the vision and mission
that have guided us.
Call for online General Assembly to dissolve ISCA
As a result of the process and discussions outlined above and in accordance
with ISCA’s Charter of Association the Board is convening an Online General
Assembly to be held between October 19th and November 2nd, 2014. At this
General Assembly, members will be asked to vote on the Board’s proposal to
DISSOLVE the Association in accordance with the process established in the
Charter and according to German Law. You will receive via e-mail the
necessary instructions regarding the online secure voting procedure. For its
approval, the proposed dissolution requires 75% of the votes issued at this
General Assembly.
The Charter establishes that any funds remaining after dissolving the
Association shall be donated to: “Häuser der Hoffnung – Schulbildung für die
Dritte Welt, gemeinnütziger e.V., c/o Weber, Schlosshof 6, D-69168,
Wiesloch, www.haeuser-der-hoffnung.org, which shall use them exclusively for
charity purposes”. This charity’s name in English translates as: “Homes of
Hope – Schooling for the Third World” and its activities are mainly based in
Mali (Africa) where it teaches young girls competencies that improve their
work prospects.
It is also important to note that the International Systemic Intensive held
annually at Bernried (close to Münich, Germany) will continue under the
organisation and leadership of Lutz Bessel.
The Board’s proposal
The ISCA Board and its Business Manager have unanimously reached the
conclusion that ISCA is not at this time a viable organisation and propose
to this online General Assembly the Association’s dissolution in accordance
with ISCA’s charter.
In case of this vote being approved by 75% of voting members at the
Assembly, the Board will be mandated by this General Assembly to complete
the Association’s dissolution as established by its Charter and by German
Law. This mandate will extend if necessary beyond the current Board’s period
that expires in May 2015.
If the vote is not approved by the necessary majority, the Board will call
for the election of a new Board and hand over its mandate in May, 2015.
YES
NO
Membership and renewal fees
Between now and November 2nd, 2014, member registration and renewals has
been suspended. If dissolution is approved, membership and renewals will no
longer be available at the ISCA site. If the General Assembly does not
approve dissolution by the required vote, membership and renewals will once
again become available.
We thank you for your support over these years and please let us have any
questions regarding this process at info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
Clare Crombie (President)
Brendan O’Brien (Vice President)
Tomás Kohn (Treasurer)
Lutz Bessel (Business Manager)
Unsubscribe
Hi everyone
For those of you who don't know ISCA is the International Systemic
Constellation Association. It is the umbrella international organisation
for systemic constellation work.
Below you will find an email sent out to all its members calling for a
vote to dissolve ISCA. Dissolution requires 75% of voting members to vote
yes for the dissolution.
This has been instigated by the board without any process for debate or
discussion being set in place. The internet voting process amongst members
has now been opened by the board. Voting will close on November 7.
As this is a significant development in the field, I invite anyone who
wants to, to use constellation talk to discuss the relative merits of
keeping ISCA going or shutting it down.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: ISCA Network <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 10:41 PM
Subject: End of an Era - Call for online General Assembly
To: Christopher Walsh <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Dear Christopher Walsh*,
ISCA's Board and Lutz Bessel our Business Manager have been involved over
the last months in an intense process, discussion and debate regarding
ISCA's future. This process has included physical meetings, online
exchanges and several Organisational Constellations that have helped us
clarify the dynamics, options and decisions regarding our organisation.
It is now time to share this process with all members and request their
support in the decision we have unanimously reached.
*First a brief summary of the facts:*
- ISCA was founded in May 2007 and legally registered under German Law
as a non profit organisation. Current membership has remained stable at
around 250 for the past 4 years.
- Over the years a number of initiatives have been launched,
originating from the Board, from ISCA's two gatherings and from suggestions
received from members. These have included: Research Project, Curriculum
Documentation, Ethics, Project Sponsorship. After some initial interest and
support, actual member involvement in these activities at any one point in
time can be counted with a single hand.
- The income from the annual Membership fee of Euros 60 is not
sufficient to cover the expenses of an organisation like ISCA, especially
regarding its possibility to fund website developments, research and other
activities to further ISCA's objectives and development. To illustrate this
point the difference between income and expenses for 2011, 2012 and 2013
has been respectively EU 2.759, (6.942) and (5.836).
The Board observes lots of activity in the worldwide Constellations
community and given the previous assessment, has reached the conclusion
that although there is energy, interest and activity regarding
Constellations, the time is not yet right for an open, all inclusive
organisation like ISCA. It is possible that the field still needs to mature
into a clearer structure of national organisations and possibly also, there
will at some point be a requirement for an international body that helps to
regulate our activities. This is well beyond ISCA's terms of reference and
the vision and mission that have guided us.
*Call for online General Assembly to dissolve ISCA*
As a result of the process and discussions outlined above and in
accordance with ISCA's Charter of Association the Board is convening an
Online General Assembly to be held between October 19th and November 2nd,
2014. At this General Assembly, members will be asked to vote on the
Board's proposal to DISSOLVE the Association in accordance with the process
established in the Charter and according to German Law. You will receive
via e-mail the necessary instructions regarding the online secure voting
procedure. For its approval, the proposed dissolution requires *75%* of
the votes issued at this General Assembly.
The Charter establishes that any funds remaining after dissolving the
Association shall be donated to: "Häuser der Hoffnung - Schulbildung für
die Dritte Welt, gemeinnütziger e.V., c/o Weber, Schlosshof 6, D-69168,
Wiesloch, www.haeuser-der-hoffnung.org, which shall use them exclusively
for charity purposes". This charity's name in English translates as: "Homes
of Hope - Schooling for the Third World" and its activities are mainly
based in Mali (Africa) where it teaches young girls competencies that
improve their work prospects.
It is also important to note that the International Systemic Intensive
held annually at Bernried (close to Münich, Germany) will continue under
the organisation and leadership of Lutz Bessel.
*The Board's proposal*
*The ISCA Board and its Business Manager have unanimously reached the
conclusion that ISCA is not at this time a viable organisation and propose
to this online General Assembly the Association's dissolution in accordance
with ISCA's charter.*
*In case of this vote being approved by 75% of voting members at the
Assembly, the Board will be mandated by this General Assembly to complete
the Association's dissolution as established by its Charter and by German
Law. This mandate will extend if necessary beyond the current Board's
period that expires in May 2015.*
*If the vote is not approved by the necessary majority, the Board will
call for the election of a new Board and hand over its mandate in May,
2015.*
*YES*
*NO*
*Membership and renewal fees*
Between now and November 2nd, 2014, member registration and renewals has
been suspended. If dissolution is approved, membership and renewals will no
longer be available at the ISCA site. If the General Assembly does not
approve dissolution by the required vote, membership and renewals will once
again become available.
We thank you for your support over these years and please let us have any
questions regarding this process at *info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>.*
*Clare Crombie (President)*
*Brendan O'Brien (Vice President)*
*Tomás Kohn (Treasurer)*
*Lutz Bessel (Business Manager)*
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