Is experiencing deja vu a confirmation that fate or destiny is at work?
Susan James
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Mannle
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Fate and Destiny
Hello all,
You could look at them in terms of tenses. In some way this is how we
use them. Destiny is a vehicle that moves us forward, a sort of a
becoming. "It's your destiny to take over the company, climb Everest,
go to war" etc. We use fate in terms of what happened: He lost the
business; he made it to the summit; he died in battle. It was his
fate. Peace to all.
Bill Mannle
On Nov 18, 2006, at 2:09 PM, DIANE YANKELEVITZ wrote:
> To me, fate is what's going to happen in your life no matter what you
> do. It's out of your hands. It could be the unconscious mind taking
> control. It could be the decisions you made about this earthwalk
> before you incarnated. For example, at a certain point in your life
> you will meet a certain person, who could be a partner or a mentor.
>
> I think destiny is your potential, which you may, or may not, choose
> to follow. You could choose to hook up with a person you met by fate -
> marry a partner or work with a mentor, or not. And in some instances
> the choice not to go in a certain direction may be the correct choice.
> I like to describe it as following your nose. If you do what excites
> and interests you and follow your intuition, you will continually move
> forward and have the opportunity to do things you never dreamed of
> doing. Think about how you got involved in facilitating
> constellations, for another example.
> Diane Yankelevitz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Booth Cohen
> To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 8:49 AM
> Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Fate and Destiny
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> I am interested about the difference between "fate" and "destiny."
>
> I looked up "fate" in Wikipedia and found it doesn't have its own
> entry.
> It's contained within the page for destiny. Briefly:
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> "Destiny may be envisaged as fore-ordained by the Divine (for
> example, the
> Protestant <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant> concept of
> predestination <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination> ) or by
> human
> will (for example, the American concept of Manifest Destiny
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_Destiny> ). A sense of
> destiny in
> its oldest human sense is in the soldier's fatalistic
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatalism> image of the "bullet that
> has your
> name on it" or the moment when your number "comes up," or a romance
> that was
> "meant to be." Many people believe destiny is a fixed timeline of
> events
> that is inevitable and unchangeable. Others believe that they choose
> their
> own destiny by choosing different paths throughout their life.
>
> "Although the words are used interchangeably, fate and destiny are
> distinct
> things. Modern usage defines fate as a power or agency that
> predetermines
> and orders the course of events. The definition of fate has it that
> events
> are ordered or "meant to be". Fate is used in regard to the finality
> of
> events as they have worked themselves out, and that same finality is
> projected into the future to become the inevitability of events as
> they will
> work themselves out. Fate also has a morbid association with
> finality in the
> form of "fatality". Destiny, or fate, used in the past tense is
> "one's lot"
> and includes the sum of events leading up to a currently achieved
> outcome
> (e.g. "it was her destiny to be leader", "it was his fate to be
> executed").
> Fate is an outcome determined by an outside agency acting upon a
> person or
> entity; but with destiny the entity is participating in achieving an
> outcome
> that is directly related to itself. Participation
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_%28decision_making%29>
> happens
> willfully."
>
> In reading this over, it does not align with the way I use the term
> "fate"
> in doing Constellations. I generally don't speak of "destiny" at all.
>
> I see destiny as the aggregation of systemic forces and individual
> consciousness that coalesce in each moment of the present. To use an
> extreme example, a suicide is the vast past coming together an
> instant. One
> might call the trajectory of events "destiny." In this view, destiny
> could
> be defined as "everything that came before and led to this moment."
> While
> there is systemic ordering at play, I do not see destiny as
> inevitable or
> unchangeable in the sense of being fore-ordained. I do not see
> anything
> being fore-ordained.
>
> Fate begins where destiny ends. "It was his fate to be executed," is
> a
> statement of fact, grounded in past events that are not subject to
> change or
> alteration. Fate does not require an outside agency or entity. When I
> speak of "acceptance of fate," I speak agnostically in regard to the
> cause.
> I mean only that what happened, happened, and however distasteful,
> disturbing, or unjust it cannot be changed.
>
> Perhaps some of you can share how you use and understand these terms.
>
> Dan
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