Rita, Suzy Tucker is offering the CDs on her web site:
http://www.hellingerapproach.com/ArticlesBooksInfo.htm I hope this helps.
Regards,Francis Rivinus
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From: "Rita Martino"
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Inner and Outer Circles of the
Unified Field, Da Mamas and Da Papas,Essence. Essence. whose got the
Essence,Miroslav Wolk,Exclusion and Embrace
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:37:33 -0700 (PDT)
Can someone guide me as to how to purchase Bert's cd series Inner
Journeys.....I am not finding my own success in doing this! Thank
you for your help.....I feel the need to have these
cd's......Blessings/Appreciation always, Rita
Warm Regards,
Rita Ann Martino
awakeningfamilyconstellations.com
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From: drjmpirone <drjmpirone@xxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:58:14 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Inner and Outer Circles of the Unified
Field, Da Mamas and Da Papas,Essence. Essence. whose got the
Essence,Miroslav Wolk,Exclusion and Embrace
Dear Gary,
if we chose to, we just might notice that
the cynical toward and the jaded about just might be acknowledged non
-derisively for being where they are at the particular moment they
are there lest the Cynically Jaded or the Jadedly Cynical be excluded
or feel that they are. I remember in America years back the
sociodynamics of some of those in Werner Erhards Applied Buddism for
Fun and Profit Experience aka Est Those that had "gotten it" at times
had less than positive attitudes to those that had not.
,The Field Over-identified and the Field Disidentified are still
aspects of the Same Field.
Enneapsychodramatic s
Dr.Joseph M. Pirone 2018033080
On Thursday, May 15, 2008, at 01:44AM, "Gary Stuart" <Gary@CHIfield.
com> wrote:
>Dear Danuta,
>
>Beautifully put! How true.these sessions are open to all no matter
what
>"Camp" you believe you're IN or OUT of. Bert excludes no one, even
if they
>exclude him. His wisdom and generosity of care is astounding.
>
> I challenge anyone to do so at 82, IF we are lucky to live that
long and
>share our thoughts on life for everyone to benefit. (I hope we are)
We are
>adults that agree to this depth of his training and wisdom.
>
>Danuta, Being new to this work I'm glad you "SEE" and "HEAR" the
value.
>Bert's new CD series Inner Journeys is brilliant and even the most
jaded,
>cynical among us would do well to listen to this important sage's
>discoveries spoken in his own voice.
>
>Blessings, Gary Stuart LA, CA Gary@Chifield. com
>
>
>
>From: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
>[mailto:ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Danuta
Jirik
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:12 AM
>To: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
>Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] parent or teacher
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>I was in the Pichl intensive and became aware of the 'controversy'
while
>there (that's how new I am to the constellation community),
therefore I
>speak from the bottom, so to speak, acknowledging there are many
more things
>that I don't know about.
>
>Still, I'm moved to address the talk about individuation and offer
my
>thoughts:
>
>Bert Hellinger does not have any actual children. Therefore, if he
is
>treated like a parent by anyone, it would be that person's
responsibility to
>become clear on who his/her actual parent is, and shift their focus
>accordingly. It would not be appropriate to hold Bert responsible
for not
>behaving like a parent.
>
>And even if he was a father of someone, would that child have the
right to
>tell him what's OK to do and what's not OK, and what direction he
should
>take?
>
>And do we as students have the right to tell our teachers what they
should
>or should not do in their life and which direction they should take?
Aren't
>we responsible for our own journey?
>
>I'd like to offer a bit of what Mr. Hellinger said in Pichl, it's
from the
>notes I took, so it may not be perfectly accurate, but still it may
help
>someone see something.
>
>Imagine how we often try to help people, and in a way we allow them
to use
>us as a substitute for their mother, so they come to us with
expectations
>they had towards their mother - to be consoled, to tell us about
their
>worries, and we should be there like their mother, supply what they
need,
>and sometimes we feel great because we are needed by them - and
there's a
>great danger that we'll lose sight of their mother.
>Importand learning - we don't look at the individual client, we
always look
>at the same time at their mother and father, with respect. We can do
that if
>we have reconciled with our own mother and father, with gratitude
and love,
>then we cannot be seduced to take the role, but we remain adults, on
equal
>basis with the client, as adults.
>
>For me, he as my present teacher leads, and I respectfully follow,
for as
>long as I feel the truth in what he's doing, and I am responsible
for how
>far I go along, and if I don't feel that truth anymore, I will
respectfully
>withdraw and continue on my journey.
>
>In my experience in Pichl, the truth in what he's doing was so
palpable, the
>experience of the Spirit-Mind' s movements was so life-changing and
>consciousness raising that I'm very clear that I'm in, following his
lead,
>curious to see his next step, because he's clearly connected to
something
>that is evolving in truth and I can evolve by walking along. For as
long as
>it feels right.
>
>Respectfully,
>Danuta Jirik
>www.healerspirit. com
>
>
>Gary, can you send me your review of Hellinger and Sophie's work? I
can't
>find it and wanted to make it available to my training group. I am
aware of
>the controversy regarding Bert's new process. There is so much to
it. It is
>a rich subject psychologically for all of us. It is one thing for
the child
>to individuate from the parent. Quite a different matter when the
parent
>individuates from the child...or the teacher from the student.
Yikes!
>
>Oh what fun it all is,
>Barbara
>
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>From: "CHIARA MEGIGHIAN ZENATI" <cmegighianzenati@ gmail.com
><mailto:cmegighian zenati%40gmail. com> >
>If you are interested, here are the websites
>for the intensive www.constellations- intensive. de
>for the wurzburg conference
>www.congress08. iam-Youare. org<http://www.congress 08.iam-youare.
org/>
>ISCA (Institute of Systemic Constellation) (not ready yet)
>All the best
>Chiara Hayganush
>
>On 5/11/08, Dan Booth Cohen <danbcohen@rcn. com <mailto:danbcohen%
40rcn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any CT members who attended the Bernried training intensive or the
>> International Congress in Cologne, please give us your report on
how they
>> went. Thanks.
>>
>> Dan
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>--
>Dr. Chiara H. Megighian-Zenati
>104 Hawthorne Rd
>Pittsburgh, PA 15238
>
>cmegighianzenati@ gmail.com <mailto:cmegighianz enati%40gmail. com>
>www.ayainstitute. com
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