Can someone guide me as to how to purchase Bert's cd series Inner
Journeys.....I am not finding my own success in doing this! Thank you for your
help.....I feel the need to have these cd's......Blessings/Appreciation always,
Rita
Warm Regards,
Rita Ann Martino
awakeningfamilyconstellations.com
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From: drjmpirone <drjmpirone@xxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:58:14 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Inner and Outer Circles of the Unified Field, Da
Mamas and Da Papas,Essence. Essence. whose got the Essence,Miroslav
Wolk,Exclusion and Embrace
Dear Gary,
if we chose to, we just might notice that
the cynical toward and the jaded about just might be acknowledged non
-derisively for being where they are at the particular moment they are there
lest the Cynically Jaded or the Jadedly Cynical be excluded or feel that they
are. I remember in America years back the sociodynamics of some of those in
Werner Erhards Applied Buddism for Fun and Profit Experience aka Est Those that
had "gotten it" at times had less than positive attitudes to those that had not.
,The Field Over-identified and the Field Disidentified are still aspects of the
Same Field.
Enneapsychodramatic s
Dr.Joseph M. Pirone 2018033080
On Thursday, May 15, 2008, at 01:44AM, "Gary Stuart" <Gary@CHIfield. com> wrote:
Dear Danuta,
Beautifully put! How true.these sessions are open to all no matter what
"Camp" you believe you're IN or OUT of. Bert excludes no one, even if they
exclude him. His wisdom and generosity of care is astounding.
I challenge anyone to do so at 82, IF we are lucky to live that long and
share our thoughts on life for everyone to benefit. (I hope we are) We are
adults that agree to this depth of his training and wisdom.
Danuta, Being new to this work I'm glad you "SEE" and "HEAR" the value.
Bert's new CD series Inner Journeys is brilliant and even the most jaded,
cynical among us would do well to listen to this important sage's
discoveries spoken in his own voice.
Blessings, Gary Stuart LA, CA Gary@Chifield. com
From: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Danuta Jirik
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 8:12 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] parent or teacher
Hi Everyone,
I was in the Pichl intensive and became aware of the 'controversy' while
there (that's how new I am to the constellation community), therefore I
speak from the bottom, so to speak, acknowledging there are many more things
that I don't know about.
Still, I'm moved to address the talk about individuation and offer my
thoughts:
Bert Hellinger does not have any actual children. Therefore, if he is
treated like a parent by anyone, it would be that person's responsibility to
become clear on who his/her actual parent is, and shift their focus
accordingly. It would not be appropriate to hold Bert responsible for not
behaving like a parent.
And even if he was a father of someone, would that child have the right to
tell him what's OK to do and what's not OK, and what direction he should
take?
And do we as students have the right to tell our teachers what they should
or should not do in their life and which direction they should take? Aren't
we responsible for our own journey?
I'd like to offer a bit of what Mr. Hellinger said in Pichl, it's from the
notes I took, so it may not be perfectly accurate, but still it may help
someone see something.
Imagine how we often try to help people, and in a way we allow them to use
us as a substitute for their mother, so they come to us with expectations
they had towards their mother - to be consoled, to tell us about their
worries, and we should be there like their mother, supply what they need,
and sometimes we feel great because we are needed by them - and there's a
great danger that we'll lose sight of their mother.
Importand learning - we don't look at the individual client, we always look
at the same time at their mother and father, with respect. We can do that if
we have reconciled with our own mother and father, with gratitude and love,
then we cannot be seduced to take the role, but we remain adults, on equal
basis with the client, as adults.
For me, he as my present teacher leads, and I respectfully follow, for as
long as I feel the truth in what he's doing, and I am responsible for how
far I go along, and if I don't feel that truth anymore, I will respectfully
withdraw and continue on my journey.
In my experience in Pichl, the truth in what he's doing was so palpable, the
experience of the Spirit-Mind' s movements was so life-changing and
consciousness raising that I'm very clear that I'm in, following his lead,
curious to see his next step, because he's clearly connected to something
that is evolving in truth and I can evolve by walking along. For as long as
it feels right.
Respectfully,
Danuta Jirik
www.healerspirit. com
Gary, can you send me your review of Hellinger and Sophie's work? I can't
find it and wanted to make it available to my training group. I am aware of
the controversy regarding Bert's new process. There is so much to it. It is
a rich subject psychologically for all of us. It is one thing for the child
to individuate from the parent. Quite a different matter when the parent
individuates from the child...or the teacher from the student. Yikes!
Oh what fun it all is,
Barbara
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From: "CHIARA MEGIGHIAN ZENATI" <cmegighianzenati@ gmail.com
<mailto:cmegighian zenati%40gmail. com> >
If you are interested, here are the websites
for the intensive www.constellations- intensive. de
for the wurzburg conference
www.congress08. iam-Youare. org<http://www.congress 08.iam-youare. org/>
ISCA (Institute of Systemic Constellation) (not ready yet)
All the best
Chiara Hayganush
On 5/11/08, Dan Booth Cohen <danbcohen@rcn. com <mailto:danbcohen% 40rcn.com>
wrote:
Any CT members who attended the Bernried training intensive or the
International Congress in Cologne, please give us your report on how they
went. Thanks.
Dan
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www.ayainstitute. com
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