Hello Robert,
The shift is likely generated by media and state sponsored fear....the real
agenda?
all for now...
Anngwyn
In a message dated 1/4/2016 10:22:19 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Hello Anngwyn and All,
For difficult, intractable problems multiple avenues of approach might
have some value. Even systemic constellation is relatively ineffectual on a
larger social scale and may take a long time to impact a culture. Fifty-five
percent of Americans say they want laws covering the sale of firearms to be
stricter than they are now, a distinct rise of eight percentage points
from 2014. Support for better gun laws increased even among those who say they
own a handgun, from 30% in 2014 to 36% this year. Should this shift in
attitude be ignored or like in traffic laws be part of a multi pronged
solution?
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:48 PM, _anngwyn@aol.com_ (mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx)
[ConstellationTalk] <_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:
Hello Again,
All very interesting cross cultural food for thought...and still, the
reality remains that even if gun control laws are passed...which is not
entirely likely given the involvement of the gun lobbies with our legislators,
probably at least half of our citizens will not support anything close to a
total ban and this could give rise to a black market much like alcohol
prohibition and our thriving illegal drug trade.
Banning guns would not prevent suicides in Switzerland...they have a long
tradition of "going into the lake" (drowning with rocks in their pockets )
and still today throw themselves under trains..and now assisted suicide is
entirely legal.
Again, the delusion is that the guns are the problem...or that liquor is
the problem or drugs or "illegal aliens " whatever...seems at first glance
should be banned, outlawed or otherwise eliminated...this is linear
causality rather than systemic thinking... Hellinger and others have offered
us
models to look deeper into what is out of balance....that these tragically
violent deaths continue...in such great numbers...
Regards,
Anngwyn
In a message dated 1/4/2016 7:23:21 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
writes:
Hello to All,
Maybe in some vicious cycles causes and symptoms are not separated by
absolute boundaries. For better or worse, laws do educate populations, and
obviously it will take more than passing laws to shift deep seated cultural
attitudes. Unlike the US in Switzerland existing laws better regulate the
sale, ownership and licensing of private guns, which includes a ban on
carrying
concealed weapons. The law allows citizens who have no criminal record or
history of mental illness, to buy up to three weapons from an authorised
dealer, with the exception of automatic firearms, which are banned, and
military ammunition must be stored in central arsenals rather than in
soldiers’
homes. Guns are responsible for between 200 and 300 suicides each year in
Switzerland. One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low
despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be
transposed on the current individualistic (lack of universal health
insurance) American reality — is the culture of responsibility, support and
safety
that is anchored in Swiss society and passed from generation to generation.
Best wishes to all,
Robert
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM, _anngwyn@aol.com_ (mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx)
[ConstellationTalk] <_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:
Yes, confusing symptoms and the underlying causes is not likely to lead
to resolution...nor will the imposition of "laws"...we have an interesting
and complex dynamic unfolding now...but not only here in the USA...In
Switzerland, where I have happily lived and worked for many years, citizens
are individually and as a culture very heavily armed...and yet , this is not
a social problem..more evidence that guns are not the problem...only the
symptom of a pervasive underlying miasm here in USA... Students of history
know that outlawing alcohol during the prohibition era led to more violence
because a significant percentage of the populace did not agree and a black
market economy arose...same with the spurious, deeply corrupt "war on
drugs"... outlawing is not the solution, for alcohol, drugs or firearms...best
to think systemically and think more deeply into this massive social
trauma...involving what is also our military/industrial/ state sponsored ,
media complicit, national and international violence....and who benefits ?
All for now...
Anngwyn
In a message dated 1/4/2016 5:40:41 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
writes:
Hello All,
Gun laws in the US appear to reinforce the violent psyche of fear that
drives it. In the large scheme of things changing the laws may be more than
just treating the symptoms.
Best wishes,
Robert
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:49 AM, _anngwyn@aol.com_ (mailto:anngwyn@xxxxxxx)
[ConstellationTalk] <_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_
(mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:
Hello Everyone,
While I am all for peace and not so fond of guns, from a systemic
perspective, guns are not the problem...only the symptom of the problem...We
have
always had guns in this country....and as a social traumatologist, more
problematic is the trans-national epidemic of state-sponsored, media
generated "fear porn " designed to promote and accelerate " fear of the other
"....and this inevitably leads to all manner of violence as history as proven
over and again. Confusing the symptom with the problem is likely to lead
only to more confusion. We might ask: Who or what benefits from this current
fear mongering epidemic that seeks to exploit the darker aspects of tribal
consciousness ?
I addressed this "fear porn " in my blog " Trauma and the Human Condition
" _http://anngwyn.wisrville.org_ ;(http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/) as "Our
Year of Fear ". which may be of interest....
Warm regards
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D.
_http://anngwyn.wisrville.org_ ;(http://anngwyn.wisrville.org/)
_www.acst-international.com_ (http://www.acst-international.com/)
