Re: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Constellations with Soul AND Spirit
- From: Alison Rose Levy <LevyAR@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:20:02 -0400
Hey Tom and Group:
Tom, your comments about the ³German Pope² and the many responses in reply
have raised some questions which I would love to hear our group members
comment upon:
Bert Hellinger claims that his philosophy/practice functions apart from
transference (conventionally recognized as key to therapeutic efficacy).
Yet as both Tom¹s question and the many answers to it reveal, Bert himself
is the object of extensive and varied transference.
(And by the way, I¹ve heard endless debates of this type about Bert forever.)
In these discussions, some will see him as the obnoxious authoritarian, others
as the beleaguered maverick.
Or he will be the benevolent healer, the professional wild card, the leader to
whom we are loyal, the elder to whom
we owe respect, the looney from whom we must distance ourselves, the
inconsiderate pater, the sacred shaman, or perhaps, the German Pope.
Some will probe to find out who he really is, while others loyally protect him
from the harsh glare of personalized inquiry. Or we might
keep these issues at bay, or claim it doesn¹t matter. We don¹t need to know
him. Father issues, anyone?
But my question is: Phenomenologically, in a methodology that claims to
function apart from transference, what is showing up?
Yes, guys, it¹s transference.
So my second question is: Wouldn¹t it be better to let this excluded
therapeutic forebear into the field and see how it feels?
And would doing that change our way of working? If so, how?
How would owning our own transferential dynamic with Hellinger as part of our
work on self change our relationship to Hellinger and to the teachings?
How it would it change our relationship to fellow practitioners if we
acknowledged that transferential dynamics occur in this community?
I¹m sure many of you are already playing with this, and I¹d love to hear what
you¹ve found.
All the best,
Alison
Alison Rose Levy
The Stable LLC
123 Main Street
Irvington-on-Hudson, NY 10533
----- Original Message -----
From: "tmasthenes13" <TomBuoyed@xxxxxxx>
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 1:30 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Constellations with Soul AND Spirit
Barbara,
Thanks for your reply. I actually have seen part of a video of Bert
in Santa Barbara from a few years ago. It would be great to do a
workshop with him but that means going over to France or Germany
since I hear he no longer travels to the USA.
But if you want more thought-provoking statements, I'll ask this one
as a proverb in Latin: "Quis custodet ipsos custodes?" ("Who will
guard the guards themselves?") Explanation below.
I appreciate what you say about taking any scuttlebut with many
grains of salt; but there is a nagging question I have that concerns
the attitude of separating out the personality of Bert from his work.
What about Bert's own family system? Has he himself put himself
through the same gauntlet of constellations that everyone else who
becomes a facilitator must go though? And if so, does anyone know
about the results?
I can understand that such information would be used against him by
his enemies, but on the other hand, facilitators not knowing about it
puts Bert in the superior position of a father, and in his case a
Holy Father because of the ritualistic, shamanic, and Catholic
aspects of his work and being. That's why I joke about him as Pope
Bert, knowing that I can tell more truth in jest than in serious
talk. Are we to hold his family system as sacrosanct because it is
one of the secrets that children must not ask their parents about?
I really feel that he has, for whatever reason, placed himself above
the rest of us who are drawn so deeply to pursue and extend his work.
I've recently read through both _Love's Hidden Symmetry_ and
_Acknowledging What Is_. With every page, my soul does cartwheels and
raises a fist in the air and shouts YES! to the truth that I feel
flows through every page in every answer to every question posed in
those books.
But then I wonder about the absolutism of his attitude, the
infallible aura of his pronouncements, any my deep desire to believe
such pronouncements. I have nothing against infallibility because the
universe itself is infallible (at least the right-brain universe is,
not the left). But we are all fallible in our perceptions and
observations of that world and universe, and the fallibility is
precisley in the realm of the mind soul where our ordinary left-brain
intellectual consciousness must allow for its transcendence by the
emotions or what I like to term "heart-thinking" that goes beyond the
ordinary logic of our intellects.
My fear is that however sincere and well-intentioned he is,
nonetheless Bert Hellinger has set himself up as a Father-God figure
to all those who are drawn to pursue his work. As a Catholic and now
a Hellingrite, I feel like there's two German Popes now.
As I read so many of his pronouncements about God and spirituality,
etc., I keep wondering how much of this is his own personal
projecting which might be revealed as such if we knew about the
dynamics of his own personal family systemic order.
Quis custodet ipsos custodes?
Doubting Thomas
(who doubts so much, he even doubts his own doubting.)
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