Sneh;
I appreciated reading your post. It seems so right on for this heart/spirit of
mine. To be deeper with the SELF, not looking for the externals to satisfy the
little self's need or to resist the externals that don't satisfy the selfs
need. I like that you bring us back to the simplicities of authenticity and
the skill of compassion rendered to the "US". Thank you much for your skills
and for YOU> Rita Martino
Warm Regards,
Rita Ann Martino
awakeningfamilyconstellations.com
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From: Eve CONDAMINE <evecondamine@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:28:15 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Holotrophic breathing
Hello everyone, and Sneh in particular (we have met in Paris
with Samaï)
Thank you for all your posts.
And special thanks for Chris Walsh for the CT.
It's very difficult for me to express myself in english
language.
So I read the posts with application and pleasure and great
interest.... It already takes me a long time to understand
the whole !
Goodbye and I hope all the best for everyone !
Dr Eve Condamine
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Date : Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:52:33 -0800
Subject : Re: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Holotrophic breathing
Dear Sneh
Thank you. You do dive deeply and all your posts have been
real treasures for me.
Please keep it coming!
hugs
Anutosh
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From: Sneh Victoria
To: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: Sneh Victoria
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:16 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Holotrophic breathing
Hi everyone, and Blanche in particular: welcome!
just when I lately was thinking a lot about all the great
techniques
I experienced and learned in my life, for instance breath
work,:
rebirthing, holotropic breathing- it shows up in CT!
Interesting!
In the late 70th I did a long workshop with Stan Grof and
his future
wife. The title was: "Birth, Sexuality and Death". It was
- besides
many things - like an initiation into a deeper place of
being, the
beginning of a spiritual path.
At no point did I feel re-traumatized, even though I did
dive into 2
major traumas of my own. I came through and ended in one
of my
deepest religious experiences ever.
Years later I trained at my indian masters ashram in
something
called: breath awareness, where we used stronger than
usual breathing
together with witnessing. The main point was the
meditation part in
it, to not loose the watcher while encountering strong
emotions. Also
there I did not see anybody being traumatized through the
process.
And yet, I would expect this today, after a 3 year long
training in
Somatic Experiencing and quite a few workshops with Peter
Levine and
all my learning about the the ways the nervous system works.
This leaves me believing:
It is not the technique, but the ones using them: "US" and
also the
environment, where we do what we do. A place has a soul, many
experienced this in constellations. Anne Ancelin
Schützenberger ("Oh,
my ancesters") and Rupert Sheldrake (in many books) hint
in this
direction, even though with many different words.
My same traumas had their day also in constellation work,
when
different layers of the old stories showed up some 15
years ago and
again during the SE training last year.
I would not wonder, if they showed up again at some other
junction of
my life, like sign posts, to keep me interested in my own
life´s story.
What was the most important learning from all of it for
me: None of
the methods were better or safer, or brought more inside
to me- they
simply were the right ones at their time- and I just seem
to feel the
most at home with working with "putting in scenes", placing
constellations, having people as vessels of feeling- sensing-
understanding, sharing their inside...
(Who knows, maybe tomorrow I might want to apply breathing
into
working in constellations. )
This all leaves me (again) wondering: what is it than,
that we as
trainers can teach about how to be a constellation
facilitator?
Aside from all that can be read and experienced in doing
your own
constellations, what are the qualities most needed in
working with
people?
Something more: in most of my trainings I had someone who
only took
part for their own good, without wanting to become a
facilitator- and
invariably they were at the end amongst the most accomplished.
Could it be that the most important part about how to be a
facilitator is to first be a mensch, and that if we
support this
before anything else, we support this work best?
Oh my, where am I going. Well: for everybody who is still
with me
here, how about creating a training that has at it's core
profound
learning about -meditation and mindfulness- about how to love
yourself so you can truly love the people who come to you-
about not
caring for success and not caring for failure either-
about how to
reach the place where wright and wrong don't matter and so
on. This
could happen while learning about constellations, even
through
constellations, and many other techniques too.
I am truly interested in knowing who has similar ideas, or
controversial ones.
I hope we can continue to inspire one another. It is already
happening to me with these last weeks' mails,
Sneh
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