Always an interesting discussion. I just thought I'd add that, from my
perspective, there really is no "new" work per say, as the work called
"Movements of the Spirit-Mind" has been in the repetoire of some facilitators
for a number of years, long before it was named as such. And "new" discoveries
happen all the time in phenomenological work. Part of Bert's unique
contribution is his willingness to share "discoveries" as he recognized them in
his work. Many of these discoveries came to others previous to that in their
own work as well, altho they were not shared in a public forum.
There are many people doing constellation work around the world who are not
linked in to any aspect of the larger constellation community; yet they are
making all sorts of "discoveries" - or it could just be said, "they are doing
phenomenological work also". Hopefully, the founding of ISCA (International
Systemic Constellation Association) will provide a common ground for those
interested in constellation work around the world, and more of what we are all
finding in our work, will come to the attention and discussion of more of us!
All the best in your lives and in your work. sheila (and welcome to those just
joining this forum!!)
Constellation Intensive with Stephan Hausner July 28-Aug. 2 in Farmington,
CTSheila Saunders, RN, LMFT
www.systemicfamilysolutions.com
PO Box 1011 Weaverville, North Carolina 28787
828-273-5015
Letting your life run in the ordinary way is one option.
To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: nelles@wilfried-nelles.deDate: Fri,
23 May 2008 16:48:30 +0000Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: Bert & Sophie
Hellinger
Hi,thanks to all of you who answered to my letter and shared their experiences.
I can see that their is some truth in every statement. I would like to clarify
one thing: I am in a deep congruence with Bert's approach and also with his way
of working in general. There is a difference in stil and language but that's
secondary. I just do not (no more) agree with the INTERPRETATIONS that he gives
since two years. But that doesn't matter at all because I do not have to judge
him as he does not have to judge me. So I did not write my statement because of
this disaggrement. I absolutely respect Bert's freedom to work as he wants and
don't feel that I have to comment that. And I am shure that everybody can still
benefit immensely from his work.The point I make is that now he is declairing
himself as the only one who has developed the work and who can develop it
further, and that he spreads general jugdements about other facilitators and/or
their associations. They are painting a false picture about other people who
are deeply commited to Bert's work. This I reject. Otherwise I don't care what
they do.What Sophie will dare or not I actually don't know. I just know that up
to now she did this kind of pushing work and the adorement towards Bert only
outside Germany. German people are very sensitive about this (because of our
history). What you, Theresa, write about his reconsiliation work is of course
true. It is common sense among constellators, and I did this kind of work many
times. The same is true about the movements which you, Danuta, mentioned: It is
not Hellinger's unique creation. Sneh Victoria Schnabel developed something
similar about two years ago, and I also facilitate processes like this when I
feel that it is appropriate, and this came out of my own work.Wilfried
Nelles--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "theresa.guerra"
<theresa.guerra@...> wrote:>> --- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"wilfriednelles"> <nelles@> wrote:> > > > Dear Theresa and all others,> > > >
it really hurts me when I read that Sophie's effort to make people> scream
"yes" could be > > connected with the German culture. Every serious
constellator here> is upset with the way > > she is acting and how she is
dominating Bert and is denouncing other> facilitators. If she > > would not
have become Bert's wife nobody would take notice of her.> Apart from this: The
(by the way: She is > > not German, but Hungarian-Austrian) used this methodscamp in Pichl (Austria) is for an international audience. So far> Sophie
------------> > > But to say this frankly: It is BERT who gives her thepower, and so> HE is responsible.> > > > > > Another thing: I read that you
you so much for clarifying the true history of Mr. Hellinger in> South Africa.wonder which fairytales go around about Bert.> -----------------> > Thank
are> shared here, for example > > when people are speculising about exclusionSophie:> > I really wonder what strange opinions and false informations
