Hi David, Sneh and all the others,
I think you are up to some interesting points and I feel like I might have
something to add here. I perfectly agree with Sneh that the role of the
facilitator is not to stand in the way of healing movements that a group's
potential brings along, and I might add: and not to allow any other member
of the group to stand in the way not either, since not every spontanous
movement is necessarily a healing one - and for that leadership is required
after all, even if it is so subtle that it might not even be recognized as
such (like the psychanalyst who says almost nothing still has a lead). And
of course, a good leader will let things flow as long as healing is happing
"by itself"
Your group of mainly environmentalists, David, inspired me some more
thoughts. I think Hellinger is basically right when he points out that there
is a mother transference in the game when somebody is seriously trying hard
to save the global environment, which does not make it wrong of course: I'm
very glad there are people fighting for this (especially when I'm in China).
No doubt, we all benefit from them. It may be an example of positive results
of entanglements. Still, making the entanglement become visible compromises
their basic motivation, so my guess is they challanged your leadership to
protect their common identity as environmentalists.
Oh my. I thought I could offer some answers when I started to write, but now
there are so many more questions popping up in my head: Do constellations
harm the environment because they might resolve entaglements necessary for
the future of our planet??? What does the chinese neglect of environment say
about their attitude towards the mother? Or do I go to far in exploiting the
mother-environmentalist correlation by asking this question?
Maybe you ct guys can help me out.
Love,
Martin
On 3/16/09, David Mathes <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is very good Sneh, very helpful to me.
Partly I think allowing more involvement from others in the
Constellation space, and for the effect on others by someone else's
constellation, is helped by understanding our own ego needs and
controlling aspects. CW can be very seductive to the grandiose in us
all, well mine at least! But if we let go of control and leadership
completely then it can be a bit of a mess. Last week I facilitated a
workshop attended by mostly environmentalists who were also skilled
facilitators. There was a bit of a battle as to who was leading the
workshop and then later, the representatives kept on wanting to stand
wherever i was standing. We talked about this at the workshop and
had a bit of a laugh. I guess you might ask, why was that happening
and did it matter? I think its good to question and discuss of what
'leading' a C-Workshop actually means.
All the best............David Mathes
Melbourne and Guangzhou.
Posted by: "Sneh Victoria"
sneh.victoria@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<sneh.victoria%40googlemail.com>
Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:20 am (PST)
Hi David and others,
for the matter of trauma: yes David, you were very right in saying
the client is missing. It basically is the client who decides what
and how much of it she/he wants to learn and do. And I have seen
instances where a client went further than the therapist was going
himself.
There were even times, where I explored, weather a constellation is
actually "for" the client who wishes it. I sometimes saw, that the
client was not happy with what came out, but someone else was. I am
not yet totally clear about it, but in the opening talk I include
this idea: "...that the constellation someone is asking for might
actually be not the one that will satisfy you, but will help someone
else. With each group present, a system is present. And maybe we do
things for one another as much as it can be done in any system. So,
watch, when your own constellation or part of it might be played out
in someone else's piece of work. Let us all look at the
constellations in this group as our all constellations and use them
for the understanding of our own system. Whatever work will happen
here is happening because of this group of people being present, with
me as the facilitator, at this time of the year, in this very
building, city, country, with these special trees surrounding it,
this sun shining, clouds moving by, birds peeking in, it all is part
of what is happening with us being present to watch and use it to our
benefit...I tend to believe there is no such thing as >my
constellation> but if you choose to claim the one you choose to bring
into this circle, feel free to do so."
This frame helps somewhat to have each individual in the group to be
more in the center, more involved, response-abel, and yes, David- see
each other as a resource, which again helps a lot for not getting
overwhelmed.
The role of the facilitator than would rather be to not stand in the
way of the healing movements of a whole group.
Sneh
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