Hello Dan,
Lovely to hear, and what a beautiful image of your family standing by the
oceans edge. I understand. The image touches my heart deeply and I am
reminicent of younger days with my own son. Of course you are compelled to
care in the face of a seemingly "uncaring" ocean. It does seem on one level
that it cares nothing for the fate of any particular organism. On another
level however, is it not caring and working its magic of "bringing together" in
a bigger picture or reality of life?
Bert in KL spoke alot about Karma this time round. The ocean it seems not only
includes past generations, it also includes past lives. Regardless of how big
the ocean is, it would seem that love and trust are the only life rafts we
have. Dan you say that the ocean "cares nothing for the state of any
particular organism." I feel your love and your trust and it is great. I also
feel that your letter enters into something that takes away from this inherent
greatness. In it something is reduced. To me your question "how can I be a
husband and a father without good and bad, right and wrong?", is not in
resonance with the person whom with I am resonating with right now. The person
I am resonating with right now is "laughing" at me and himself right now.
I have read your writings and feel the depth of your understanding through all
of it. All I feel is your warmth, melting, openness and honesty and an intense
thirst for the love and peace the spirit-mind brings. I don't for one minute
believe that you percieve this ocean to be uncaring. Keeping this "wholeness"
intact beyond reduction of any sort is worthy of your immediate sacred
attention.
Your beautiful daughter and wife are lucky to have such a courageous, giving,
loving father and husband. I am very happy to have you as my friend and look
forward to further exchanges in the light of this constellation work.
Lots of love to you and your family Sadhana
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From: Dan Booth Cohen <danbcohen@xxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:00:38 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Safe in Deep Waters
Sadhana -
Here again is the photo taken by my wife:
http://www.hiddenso lution.com/ images/ocean. jpg.
It is me and my younger daughter Rosie dipping our toes in water. The ocean
is an apt metaphor for the spirit-mind. It is vast and moves of its own
accord, carrying life, creation and destruction with it. The consciousness
of the ocean cares nothing for the fate of any particular organism.
Innumerable forms come into birth and disintegrate in death with each
passing of the Sun. To the ocean, there is no good or bad, right or wrong.
It is wonderful to come into contact with the consciousness of the ocean
spirit-mind. Still, to my wife on the beach, my daughter and I being swept
out to sea is bad and wrong; returning our toes to the sand is good and
right. Holding her hand, I dare not lose myself in the surf. That would be
bad. How can I be a husband and father without good and bad, right and
wrong?
Some go deeper. Some stay safer. Stephan Jay Gould explained that where
scientific knowledge ends, "Each of us has to have a personal metaphysics.
There are questions that are formally unanswerable on which nonetheless
every individual must take a position in order to integrate various pieces
of his life." These are personal, subjective choices. What is right for
you is right for you.
The common thread that unites the members of ConstelationTalk is we look
from a space of no thought for what has been separated. Yes, wholeness
happens. Yes, there is the healing.
Dan
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From: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Kay Needham
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:31 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] 2 questions about the teachings of
Hellinger
Hi Dan,
Many thanks for your insights. Here are some further thoughts on healing.
Healing by definition is the process of recovery, repair and restoration or
"a return to wholeness."
For me the question is not what is there to heal? My experience of using
this question -and I used it for a very long time -is this. When I ask such
a question I have discovered that it is bound. It is bound to a plan, a
beginning,an end, an aim and a destination which would be according to me,
my mind. Because this question came first I consequently compare and assess
everything that question comes into contact with. In this I am too busy to
see, hear, feel, sense etc.
What works for me is "looking" from a space of no thought, for what has
been seperated. Embracing that, "wholeness" happens. There is the healing.
Unlike you Dan my toe is not enough in this greater spirit-mind dimension.
I aspire to set up residence not only in doing a constellation but as a way
of life. The more I dare, the deeper I go. As I learn to trust and feel
safe in these waters, I find myself shouting from the waters edge "come on
in the water's fine!"
Lots of love to you Dan Sadhana
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From: Dan Booth Cohen <danbcohen@rcn. <mailto:danbcohen% 40rcn.com> com>
To: ConstellationTalk@ <mailto:Constellati onTalk%40yahoogr oups.com>
yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:11:25 PM
Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] 2 questions about the teachings of
Hellinger
Dear Mariann -
Welcome to ConstellationTalk! One of the special characteristics of our
virtual community is we encourage and tolerate a great range of diversity.
Members come from every continent, speak different mother tongues, work in a
variety of professions, have varying degrees of experience with the
Constellation process, and embrace differing personal mythologies.
Your question opens a topic that has been sitting with me for some time. My
view is that Bert Hellinger's ideas are easily misinterpreted. Or perhaps,
they are being correctly interpreted and I disagree.
He says there is no good and bad, no right and wrong in the dimension of the
spirit-mind. This is quite different from saying there is no good and bad,
no right and wrong. The distinction is that we do not wake-up in the
morning, commute to work, shop for groceries, call our Mums, argue with our
siblings, become annoyed with our partners, brush our teeth, and get to bed
in the dimension of the spirit-mind. Except for spiritual masters (and even
then), we live our days in the ordinary slip-slide of good and bad, right
and wrong.
When people come to me asking for a Constellation, my aim is not plant them
in transcendent harmony with the spirit-mind. If they can catch a glimpse
of it from the corner of their eye, I have done my job. They bring concrete
issues and concerns. The Constellation helps them see the possibility of a
healing movement that can unfold in the ordinary dimension of day-to-day
life and relationship. Good and bad, right and wrong are abundant in this
dimension.
What is there to heal? That is always my first question. That is my focal
point when the Constellation begins. It is the destination where the
Constellation is aimed. It is how I assess the quality of my interaction.
If I dare to step into the greater spirit-mind dimension, it is only to put
my toe in for a few moments, not to set up residence.
Others members of ConstellationTalk are on different spiritual paths and
operate from different personal mythologies. I am only speaking for myself,
not attempting to cover Bert's words with a blanket.
Good question!
Dan
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From: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Constellati onTalk@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mariann
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:16 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] 2 questions about the teachings of Hellinger
Hello,
I am a new member on this discussion group, and as such, my questions may
not fit with your topics of discussion. The only way to find out if that is
the case is by sending you my questions I pondered during the 2008 November
workshop of Bert Hellinger in Kentucky.
Bert opened his workshop by saying that "there is no good and bad, no right
and wrong" as all events have been thought out by the "intelligent mover",
the "Spirit-Mind" , and all events serve a larger picture that we cannot
comprehend. If that is the case, if there is no right and wrong, then, what
is there to heal?
Perhaps Bert answered this question on the last day of the workshop when he
talked about images, and how images create humans' reality, which are not
the same "reality" as the spirit-mind dimension. So maybe we need to heal
these broken images that make up our reality until we realize that it is OK
to leave these images behind and we dare to step into the greater
spirit-mind dimension where these hurts are no longer relevant.... What do
you think?
The second question I have is how one should conduct one's life so we won't
pass on to the next generations our burdens that will entangle those future
lives? Should this be a goal? Or am I just trying to influence something
that is beyond my control?
Please be kind to me if my questions are not within your topics.
Regards,
Mariann
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