Ì would also be very surprised if long term involvement in constellation work
caused anything other than benefit. It is worthwhile remembering the majority
of people getting involved in this work are 40 plus years old.
We should not fall prey to any silly new age ideas that suggest that if we do
all the right things that we won't age. Accordingly it is more sensible to
accept that as we age, especially from 40 onwards, we are more likely to get
serious illnesses whether we are involved in constellations or not. In other
words it is likely that Otteline is merely observing illnesses that
unfortunately are likely to appear in any group of people this age.
Having said this it is clear that people can have distressing experiences as
representatives. At this stage it is not clear to me if these experiences
really have the potential to be harmful or not. As a trained psychiatrist and
medical practitioner I feel competent to deal with difficulties. So I feel
relatively free to continue to monitor & see what happens in groups I
participate in either as a facilitator or participant.
I suspect that somehow the system helps us pick the right person to be the
representative. The coincidences that occur between the representative's life
and that of the person represented continue to amaze me. In my last workshop
the uncle of a client was killed as a child by a sharp stick going thru his
eye. The representative had come perilously close to a similar thing happening
to him in his childhood. He had always felt haunted by this experience and
since the constellation has felt at peace about it.
So it seems as if the greater soul is both benign and sophisticated in its
workings. When love is allowed to flow it seems it can benefit not only all
members of the family but also representatives.
Nonetheless this still begs the question that is "Can harm be done?" We do
know entanglements in the family soul and blind love can cause terrible harm.
So the question I am left with , bearing in mind Patrick's description of
experiencing terrible palpitations as a representative , is this:
Does anyone know of a client who has had a heart attack or stroke or flipped
into a psychotic episode while being a representative or immediately thereafter?
I believe the answer to this question could be a springboard for further useful
discussion.
hasta la vista
Chris Walsh
My Website:
www.constellationflow.com
or
www.cwalsh.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Dee Yoh
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2003 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Sarah
I'm a facilitator in the US. My experience does not support the theory that
facilitators suffer from more serious disease. There is an emotional holding
that a facilitator supports and it is important to understand what each one
needs to do to take care of themselves. If they don't take care of themselves,
of course they are at greater risk, however, that is true of any discipline,
not specific to this one. This is just my opinion based on personal observation.
>From: Sarah Moore
>Reply-To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Being a representative while pregnant
>Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:22:40 +1000
>
>dear all,
>this reply from otteline amazed me and i'm also curious that no-one
>else has picked it up and commented on it.
>i find it difficult to countenance that doing this work - in which
>one is essentially a servant of the orders of love themselves -
>would lead to any increase in major illnesses or diseases as she
>seems to be, at least anecdotally, suggesting. it would go against
>any intuitive understanding of the orders of love being essentailly
>benign and in the service of love itself, not creating pain either
>in those it serves or in those that serve it.
>i would say any percieved increase in disease states in those that
>practitioner it would be more likely due to the stress of their
>practice upon themselves rather than be to do with the nature of the
>work itself. and although i haven't run any myself yet to compare,
>my impression is that this work is LESS stressful per se than many
>other types of group work, once the facilitator surrenders to
>something larger than themselves.
>i would be interested in other's comments on this
>happy easter
>sarah
>
>Libby Nottle wrote:
>
>>At the workshop Chris and I ran recently a woman who was (not
>>visibly) pregnant was chosen as a representative. During the
>>constellation as often happens, she experienced some distressing
>>sensations. Although these were ameliorated later in the
>>constellation the question was asked of us as to whether it is
>>appropriate for pregnant woman to be representatives. I had not
>>heard any comments in workshops I've attended, so sought Judith
>>Hemmings and Otteline Lamet and Peter van Ziulekom's advice. I
>>thank them for their replies and post them here for others to
>>consider.
>> Otteline and Peter's response was more detailed:
>>It is an interesting question you brought up.
>>Untill now we haven't given it much thought as we haven't met this
>>issue yet. At least this is what we think. I noticed in myself
>>(Otteline) lately, since Peter has this eyeproblem and need all his
>>energy to get healed, that I felt very reluctant the few moments he
>>was
>>asked to be a representative in a constellation in our
>>intervisiongroup
>>and educational-groups.. My feeling was: "No strange energies in
>>your
>>body now. You never know on forehand what mess you are getting
>>into".
>>We also hear from many people who are often working with "the
>>orders of
>>love" , that they seem to have more serious deseases. Now, one can
>>speculate about the what and how of the relationship between the
>>two,
>>but the work certainly does something to someone over a shorter or
>>longer period of time. And we do not know whether this is good or
>>bad.
>>So, back to your question about a pregnant woman: would you like to
>>have your baby experience all these influences? I don't think I
>>would.
>>At least I would be very specific in which representative place to
>>take and which one to turn down. And again, you never know on
>>forehand
>>into what energies you will have to take part.
>>Libby Nottle
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