Thank you Reva for the link!
I certainly agree that taking the realms of the living and the dead as a
part of a single reality, an 'unus mundus', is a helpful frame.
But even in shamanic work -- at least what little I saw and did a bunch of
years ago -- the living and the dead have their own domains. Some of the
work was leading the restless dead to the border of the beyond, from where
on the shaman itself would not journey. But from there, one could see the
dead person journeying on on its own.
Now this distinction of realms of living and the dead complicates the
phenomenon of soul loss a bit more. A fragment does not really have anybody
to go back to, at least not in the realm of the living. It is parasiting on
the living.
Some of the information on fragments I have was received orally, but it was
generally similar to what I read in Samuel Sagan's book "Entities:
Parasites of the Energy Body".
So one consideration on this matter I have come up with is to maybe be not
strengthen connection to ancestors with difficult destinies so much. From
another angle it seems to be the same theme as re-traumatization (or not,
is so, can anybody spell out the distinctions?)
I witnessed one constellation where the client seemed to partly improve
(due to restoration of systemic order) but at the same time there were
phenomena that to me indicated the presence of a fragment that perhaps was
'stirred', at least something was making the client worse. Will have to see
what else appears and how this develops.
all the best
Heiki
On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Reva Hamilton 22reva@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Good morning Heiki
I believe being able to understand "fragmentation" allows us to open up to
possibilities...Sandra Ingerman explains a Shamanic perspective. In her
video( maybe half way ) her clarity resonates with me. Another way I like
to visualize this image of fragmentation is to think of a tapestry.
imagine the threads Separate yet connected. Some may have come loose, some
may have been destroyed. The beauty of constellation work is the invitation
to reweave the tapestry. To assist in co-creating a sense of vibrant ,
beautiful, cohesive flow of the clients tapestry. increasing their flow of
love...for themselves, their family, their community and the multiverse.
When asking the clients to say"is it comfortable or possible to say... i
invite you..???
You ask a great question and I appreciate your insight. Food for
thought...THANKS
Sincerely
Reva Hamilton
22reva@xxxxxxxxx
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 3:28 AM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have a question to maybe those who work from a more intuitive or
shamanic perspective.
How does the phenomenon of fragments of disembodied people ("entities",
"sub-tenants") play together with systemic order? Can we work with
fragments directly in constellation?
I simply have observed that in the process of including and taking in a
specific person that apparently created fragments, the situation is
worsened. Watching my co-students work, I am particularly struck at how
dangerous sentences like "I give you a good place in my heart" can be in
such a situation.
From a more psychological perspective it is re-traumatization, I guess :)
Hope the above makes some sense to somebody.
all the best
Heiki
