And this conversation shows that in some sense, all constellations are “blind”
or “covered.” ;-) We are entering the Field not knowing everything about the
client’s system and what’s going on, what’s important, what’s missing. These
elements reveal themselves to us, at first, blindly, not knowing what they are
or what they fully mean. And only as much as is needed is revealed.
“Everything” is never fully revealed.
So comfort with this is at the heart of all constellations, of whatever type.
The Rev. Leslie Nipps
NLP & Family Constellations Practitioner
“Trust as a Way of Life…”
www.leslienipps.com
Co-Director, 2015 North American Systemic Constellations Conference
On May 31, 2016, at 11:32 PM, Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
While I am not trained in SySt, my understanding is that hidden work can also
be:
- when even the client does not know who the person is; and even:
- when it might not be made explicit that an abstract element is behaving like
a person.
So perhaps there is a partial overlap between the terms 'covered
constellations' and 'hidden work'. The first limits rep knowledge. Second
limits client knowledge. It is clear that the knowledge of both may be limited
simultaneously, as well as possibly the facilitator's.
The methods and exact steps should probably not be part of definition attempts
as we will lose ourselves quickly in distinctions.
Appreciate your response Julio, I feel it can help us clarify our thinking (if
not already then perhaps in a few more posts :)
All the best
Heiki
On Jun 1, 2016 3:55 AM, "Julio Príncipe principejulio@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi dear Anngwyn and colleagues:
I think that what we use to call "blind" o "covered" constellations is
different of what SySt approach do, because in Structural "Hidden"
Constellations, what the Facilitator do is to have a hidden systemic interview
with the client in order to get the elements to constellate, labeled from the
same Client with simbols / signs / colors / numbers / etc. So, just the Client
knows about the topic and elements, not the Facilitator nor the Representatives.
About "Covered Constellations" as Anngwyn calls it, I don't know about books,
but there's a good experience, as this thread show us. For example, last year
we made some experiments in Peru, Basque Country, Brazil, as a kind of inputs
for the Infosyon's Conference in Vienna, constellating the same topic without
knowing the topic or elements until the end of the session. Thomas Gehlert was
the responsible for present his work in that Conference about "Quantic Effects
on Constellation Work", so I'm sure he has more information about how the
process works.
I hope I made me understable because English is not my first language. So, if
somebody needs more information or clarify something, just let me know, please.
Hugs from Peru,
Julio
2016-05-31 19:31 GMT-05:00 'Jonine Lee Gabay' satoribreath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Ahh thanks Anngwyn, and in Australia we call them 'blind constellations'
J
Jonine Lee Gabay
Mindfulness based Breathwork Therapy I Family Constellations I Counselling I
Coaching
Australasian Constellation Intensive, February 28 to March, 2018
W www.constellationintensive.com
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Ann,
We call this " silent constellations" done in Brazil for a long time.
If you want to post this, feel free. Thanks.
Zaquie C Meredith
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Em 31.05.2016 12:21, anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] escreveu:
Hello Vicki,Email sent using Optus Webmail
While I have been doing covered constellations for many years now I
have not written anything about this...and now I need to do this in
relation to a very interesting and powerful constellation that took
place during a "Men,Women and Peace" workshop offered together with
Dr. Karl-Heinz Rauscher during Ingala Robl's Mexico City SCW
conference ..the meaning of which is still emerging... as we collect
the experiences of the representatives...and interesting process in
itself...which we described in our "End of the Trail" article in last
issue of THE KNOWING FIELD about a Medicine Wheel constellation that
Karl-Heinz facilitated on the eve of the world changing September 11,
2001 events...
So, at this point, as I understand it...there are several options for
doing covered constellations...and in all it is important that the
representatives do not know who or what they represent, and may or may
not be aware of the topic...also the group may or may not be aware of
the topic or who or what the representatives are representing... In
Mexico City Karl-Heinz chose a format wherein only he knew the topic
and the roles for the representatives that he set up...As
co-facilitator, being in resonance with the Field and with him. I
also "knew" as soon as he set them up...but the group didn't until the
end...
There are many reasons for doing covered constellations, and they can
be excellent exercises, especially for new facilitators in learning to
trust the informational field... and for addressing an unknown...or an
issue wherein the facilitator knows that they may have a bias, or if
the client does not want the issue named...in this case the client and
the facilitator know the topic and what the representatives may
represent..but not the group...and so on...this format offers many
options...
And so , in undertaking our new writing project about the Mexico City
" Men,Women and Peace" constellation, which eventually involved nearly
the entire group, I became especially interested in what others had
written about the uses of covered constellations...
I hope that this answers your question...
Warm Regards
Anngwyn
http://anngwyn.wisrville.org
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In a message dated 5/31/2016 9:36:43 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
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Dear Anngwyn,
Now my curiosity is piqued! Could you tell a little about what
"covered constellations" entails?
Sincerely,
Vicki
**Love connects us all ways, all times, all spaces.**
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Dear Heiki
Thank you !
Anngwyn
In a message dated 5/31/2016 4:14:12 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
The "hidden work" of structural school? One Insa Sparrer's book is
translated (Miracle, Solution and System) and mentions it a couple of
times.
All the best
Heiki
On May 31, 2016 6:28 AM, "anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
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Hello Everyone,
I am looking for written material on the subject of covered
constellations, preferably in English...
Warm Regards
Anngwyn St. Just Ph.D.
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