The mail beneath was ment as private mail to Eugenio in person, as mentioned in
the “subject”, not for the whole group. I didn’t know that this email address
was not his personal email address. Sorry for this. So, please delete.
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 2 apr. 2015, om 14:00 heeft Maria Goossens goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> het volgende geschreven:
Hi Eugenio,
Maybe I was not clear in my first mail.
I was present during the constellation. Only, the facilitator did not allow
me to interact with my patients or take care of them, even during the breaks.
His idea was, that he was the one in charge and that I would deprive him from
work during the workshop if I took care of my patients, if I supported them,
if I talked with them.
The ethic issue for myself was and is: I agreed to his request to reduce
myself to a simple participant while my ethics did not allow me to do so. I
was there, I had to take responsibilities toward my patients. More than half
of the group were my patients.
Warmly,
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 31 mrt. 2015, om 17:10 heeft Eugenio Ordonez eugenio.ordonez@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> het volgende
geschreven:
Maria,
Thank you for sharing this. It is important. However, as a constellations
facilitator myself, I would suggest you that you do not fall into the idea
that if you could have gone to the workshop he would have been saved.
You wrote: "Whether my presence at the workshop could have prevented this
suicide, we will never know"
Hellinger has a short but powerful statement in that regard: "Death never
comes early".
Maybe from the physicians point of view things could be done to save the
patients. But, from the point of view of a constellations facilitator, those
powerful movements (that move someone towards death) have deeper
implications, and it could be presumptuos to think that one could have
"saved" someone else from suicide. This happens oftentimes with people who
think that if they could have done something different with someone they
loved an who is very ill (a parent, a spouse, a child, a friend) they could
have saved them from death. From the point of view of physical reality only,
that thought seems tempting. But when the perspective is informed by a
deeper field of reality (as we can see through constellations, with
ancestral and spiritual dynamics) then we sense that our lives an destinies
are moved by a greater reality than merely what we perceive physically.
This happened in one of my workshops:
A woman had an unresolved and chronic anger because her mother died during a
surgery, due to the physicians malpractice. This view of the situation was
correct for her, but it was only informed by the physical reality. In the
constellations, we placed her mother and the physician, and she saw clearly
that her mother's death had nothing to do with the physician, but with a
deeper dynamic in her soul, and the mother was not resentful or angry with
the physician. It was difficult and shocking, because the woman grew up
thinking that her mother's death had happened because of the physician's
fault, but when she allowed herself to be informed by a deeper reality, she
comprehended issues of life and death differently.
All the blessings,
Eugenio
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Maria Goossens goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear all,
As a result of the suicide of one of my patients short after a constellation
done by a colleague, I want to rise an ethical issue.
As a physician, at least in Belgium, we are ALWAYS responsible for our
patients. I raised this issue before the start of the workshop I organized
for my colleague. This responsibility makes, that even if the colleague does
the constellation, I’m still the physician of my patients. My colleague did
not agree that I participated as the physician of my patients. His idea was
that I was as one of the other participants. Seen I could not take my
responsibility towards my patients, I stayed home the second day in order
not to disturb the ongoing workshop.
With the feedback of my patients, with the suicide in mind, the issue that I
want to rise is the following:
As a physician we have full responsibility for the well-being of our
patients, promote their health and relieve their pain.
The position is different for a psychologist or another care-giver.
As a physician, whatever treatment we use, including constellations, we
always have full responsibility for the treatment we choose and our patients.
Second point is that patients always have to ask for help at the physician
in the first place. So, as a physician we are not allowed to send them
emails with invitations for workshops.
It’s clear for myself that I was not acting in line with the ethics of my
profession that particular weekend. I placed the wishes of my colleagues
above the ethics of my profession.
Whether my presence at the workshop could have prevented this suicide, we
will never know.
For myself, it feels as very important that the ethics of my profession
could be recognized by colleagues doing constellations.
Mieke
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
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