There are many paths to the Path, may we all respect the one's that are not
ours so long as they resonate to Transpersonal Truth and are not caught in
personal truth. drj
On Oct 2, 2011, at 11:57 AM, luis moreira wrote:
Hello.
Finnaly, someone who talks, seriously!...
Maybe, we all, find a way to catch the truth. Maybe.
If we see all our life, like an apportunity for that, maybe, maybe wern't so
certainly of our personall point of view, byt, only, see an apportunity to
share, our all experiences.
Sorry for my english, but, I think, your all understand me.
Thank you.
2011/10/1 anni <annimukkala@xxxxxxxx>
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Regarding your response to Vinay (which is included below), Sadhana Kay,
It seems that the topic has veered. We may all perhaps agree that
constellation work is underpinned by deep spiritual connectedness but I
wonder if promoting a single kind of spiritual philosophy is in the best
interests of CT? I could easily expound my own particular spiritual
practices and so could any one of us. However, Kay, your post feels a bit
like a preacher telling his flock to do his bidding. I would acknowledge
that there might be a place here to share the diversity of spiritual growth
but that it would require a topical introduction and an open format to
encourage thinking toward the broader view and not the more limited view.
I am not choosing to voice my own thoughts at this point on meditation or
contemplation or prayer. Your views on spiritual growth may or may not be a
valid underpinning for constellation work but to discuss them, I think that
a topic ought to be stated in the topic line and that your particular views
need to be presented as your personal opinions. I may or may not have the
same understanding about all constellation work that you do. You stand in
this post, it appears to me, in a place that looks down on the community
gathered here at CT to preach to us how we ought to see things. My
perspective is often quite different than your perspective or that of others
here. And that is perfect. We walk in unique slippers. Your size may not fit
me.
Trusting that all words we share here on CT are grounded in the power of
love which enlightens. Anni
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Kay Needham
<familyconstellationinfo@...> wrote:
and is sometimes not seen. That is, that every system is a living system
Hello Vinay and others interested in this thread,
There is something about all systemic work that is worth understanding
that grows via
1. Feeding"excreting."
2. Excreting
The actions of taking in and taking out are essential for growth.
Human beings are also what we refer to as "a dissipative system."
As facilitators we tend to focus on "feeding" and often forget
It is essential for "waste" to move out of a living system also.help clients release the past. Active meditations designed by Osho where
Waste is the past.
Waste is the mind.
If we are also feeding with mind we are adding to the waste.
Techniques and meditations that give a taste of no mind are needed to
designed for this reason to compliment all forms of therapy working with
trauma. To provide support for body mind opening. These meditations work
very well, and are very scientific in their approach. They are designed to
assist meditation as a tool for transformation.
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From: Steve Vinay Gunther <spirited@...>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:33 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: epigenetics and trauma: And what can we
have quite worked out.
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Hi folks
This discussion interests me in terms of understanding something I have
some way that didnt work for them. The exception was something that happened
In my constellation work I very rarely hear back that someone left it in
when I worked with some aboriginal students in a Masters of Indiginous
studies and Trauma Healing, at a local Uni. I worked with the class on a
number of occasions, using both Gestalt and constellations work. Everything
went really well - the class really appreciated the approaches, and the
therapeutic work was particularly poignant. When it came to doing the
constellation work with them, it seemed perfect. Within a cultural frame,
they could of course immediately recognise the nature of the work, and they
took to it readily. Because of the extremely complex intergenerational
trauma that has resulted from government policy (removing children from
their families), the constellation work seemed to be highly effective in
being able to embrace the largeness of the trauma, and work with it.
they were familiar with, and the coordinator of the course spent time with
So, everyone was pleased, moved, and reported positively.
Because of the nature of the course, the subject of trauma was something
them talking about it, looking at healing modalities etc. However, what
happened afterward the constellation work I did with them is that over the
course of a number of months, a number of people in the course started to
really act out in quite destructive ways. ALthough none of the students held
a negative impression of the constellation work, the coordinator suspected
that it was the trigger for a flood of trauma which was too much, and hence
the acting out. As a result, I did not get a chance to go back and continue
the work or do any followup.
enough to handle what got opened up, even though within the constellations
It seems that the resources of the course, and the individuals, were not
themselves it appeared a great deal of healing took place. I had recommended
followup work, both individual and collective, but the resources of the uni
and the structure of the course were such that that level of work was not
available.
Reading this thread makes me think that this was a situation where the
I continue to wonder about that experience, and what to learn from it.
PTSD/complex trauma was bigger than what the course, or I could offer. It
makes me wonder about what I could have done differently, or whether theres
instances where I need to somehow slow the constellation down, so not too
much gets opened up. This is a strange thought, as I generally just have a
sense of serviing the field in front of me, as it opens up, in its own
rhythm.
Interested in people's comments.
Vinay
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