I suggest the work of the couple Tsuyuko and Peter Spelter about patterns of
comunication and constellation work.
This could be helpfull to you.
Their e-mail is post@xxxxxxxxxx
Best Regards,
Decio
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Falke
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: AW: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology diyslexia
Yes, and it seems to be a gradual process, one can't just let go of all that.
Often it is difficult to let go even of the things we know, which are at work
in ourselves, but what chance have we got with the things we are not even , as
jet, aware of?
To give a little example: In my schooldays I had dyslexia quite strongly.
It is pretty much gone now. Over the years I thought that this would not have
anymore effect on me. A while ago this subject came up again, and with help,
"against" my resistance, which I was unaware off, I had another look at the
effect the dyslexia still had on me.
In the workshops I gave afterwards, in the 40+ constellations, in 4
constellations dyslexia of the clients "showed" up as a very disturbing factor
of their life.
A burden in the clients systems, which I could not place before, suddenly
made sense and could be resolved. I guess that without my new" inner knowledge"
of this energies, I would not have found the doorway for the clients to start
to dissolve this disturbing factor in their life's.
So my question: I know that often in constellations dynamics completely
unknown to me show up and lead to a "resolution", but in other instances, like
the one above with dyslexia, it does not seem to be possible to perceive what
is happening, without having seen and felt a dynamic like that before.
What are the factors why that is so?
The only factor I have seen so far is, that the unknown dynamics which often
revile themselves, that they are outer dynamics like family systems.
The ones which don't show, without knowing some knowledge in that direction
before, are inner movements, like dyslexia.
Is there anything else?
Thomas
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von David Grillo
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2005 19:08
An: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: Re: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
I believe that to have a phenomenological stance one has to let go of
the outcome, of proving her/himself, of letting go even of our neuroses, or
working with it while befriending it....that would take a lot of experience
david
-------Original Message-------
From: Barbara Stones
Date: 06/14/05 16:24:50
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
Hi Thomas
I've only just joined ConstellationTalk and am following this debate
with
interest but I've missed out on some earlier communications. You refer
to a
list Chris made: "Chris made that wonderful list, and there are plenty
of
different ways to do our inner work. Both, for me, are lifelong
journeys."
Could you forward a copy of this list if it's possible
Many thanks
Barbara Stones
Barbara Stones
Barbara@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
59 Englewood Road
Clapham South
London SW12 9PB
TEL:020 8673 2508
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Falke" <thomas@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:20 PM
Subject: AW: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
> Hi Babara,
> thanks for that!
> There seems to be some ideas around, that one can just put on the hat
of
> being now phenomelogical, instead of coming from experience, and then
all
> will be well.
> Hunter Beaumont was quoted as having said:
> Hunter said that experience did not mean a good facilitator of
> constellations, someone brand new to it may be able to hold the
> phenomenological posture better than an old master!!
>
> It feels true to me, that experience ALONE does not make a good
> facilitator,
> and that someone coming from a true phenomenological posture might be
> better, BUT it takes a lot of work and experience to get to a place
> where
> one can be in a truly phenomenological stance.
> I work, as a participant!, with Hunter and Gila Rogers since 5 years
in an
> ongoing workshop, sometimes 2 weeks, sometimes 4 weeks a year,
> and we are still exploring phenomelogical, ( and will be for more
years to
> come), how we function in ourselves, and in the world. And each and
every
> time it is a challenge not to go to some old ideas, patterns,
movements,
> but
> to stay with what is.
> The more we know how we function, I guess the better we can look
unbiased
> at
> what is, what shows in a constellation, and how much the
constellation is
> influenced or formed by our own field. To be and stay present it is
very
> helpful to know what -unconsciously- is pulling us away into
dreamland.
> And that may be a multitude of things..... different layers of hate,
of
> the
> super ego, systemic influences... you name it!
> The more I do this work, the more I find out how naive I have been in
> believing that I could just act or perceive freely,- phenomelogical-
free
> of unknown influences on myself.
> There are plenty of ways to get more and more into the constellation
work,
> >
> Thomas Falke
>
> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von Barbara ;
Morgan
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2005 10:42
> An: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Betreff: RE: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
>
>>From my own understanding of it, if we are truly phenomenological we
can't
> write about this stuff at all, as we have to take each situation as it
> appears at the time, according to how we feel, how the representatives
> feel,
> how the client feels, what else is in the field - both at the
workshop and
> wider field. The orders and underlying theories are background
thinking
> only.
> I remember it being referred to as allowing present experience to
> over-ride
> belief. For me that means being prepared to let go of any
pre-conceived
> ideas about what works. On the other hand, they can be very useful!
As we
> open ourselves up to phenomenology, it becomes clear how
contradictory and
> paradoxical constellation work (and life!) is.
> Being present is how I would sum it up.
> Barbara Morgan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dan Booth Cohen
> Sent: 04 June 2005 13:33
> To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
>
>
> We're always in the interplay between formulaic and phenomenological.
The
> scene you described is more formulaic. It becomes more
phenomenological
> when you swap them around and they feel worse. Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Chris Walsh
>
> Imagine we are facilitating a constellation. We notice 2
representatives
> who
> are standing side by side look quite uncomfortable. We then realise
that
> according to the orders they are on the wrong side of each other. So
we
> swap
> them around. They both sigh and visibly relax so we feel happy with
the
> intervention.
>
> My current question about this is: What part of this - if any, is
> phenomenological?
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> Hasta la vista
>
> Chris Walsh
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