Thank you Max, again, for your "personal reflextion". When I read it, I feel
great warmness in my "german" heart.
I feel, that reconciliation is possible AND it already began.
I did answer to Max in private, because I thought this is a "German" issue and
I see now, reading your dialog, it is not.
If reconciliation is possible here, it is possible all over the world...
The longer I sit at the computer and stare at your "private dialog" the more
intense I feel that "warmness".
Ursula, Canada
PS.: The first nation people in Canada are expecting an offical "sorry" from
the canadian government for the residential schools during the month of May
2008.
PPS.: Herzlichen Glueckwunsch zum 60. Geburtstag, Max Dauskardt.
To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: chrisjwalsh@xxxxxxxxxxxx.auDate:
Fri, 16 May 2008 19:42:00 +1000Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] reconciliation,
a personal reflection - Apology
Sorry allfor sending this to the group I thought Max's email to me was to me
rather than the group and i hit thereply button.Both Max's & my post would have
been more appropriate to send privately.These sort of posts should not be
taking up CTalk airspace. Personal issuessuch as these should be sorted out in
private space.So again I am sorry_____ From:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Chris WalshSent: Friday, 16 May 2008 7:15 PMTo:
ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [ConstellationTalk]
reconciliation, a personal reflectionDear MaxTo say I agree and value your
contribution is hardly patronising. To hold upyour contribution as a good model
for other contributions is more aboutsupporting Ctalk than you. You are
obviously aware of the Sciencia versusISCA undercurrents. I am quietly managing
that behind the scenes. Part ofthat is encouraging good quality posts such as
yours and Dan's this AM. I am really confused as to what is going on with you
and Alemka lately. Youboth seem to be very quick to think you are being
patronised rather thantaking things at face value. Please if there is some
other underlying issuethat has led to your recent sensitivies i would really
appreciate it if youcould bring it into the open. maybe we should arrange to
catch up one dayface to face, one on one. That way we could sort out any
misunderstandingsthat may be occurring.warm regardsremembering our friendly and
respectful cooperation and collaboration overthe yearsChris_____ From:
ConstellationTalk@
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com[mailto:ConstellationTalk@
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Max
DauskardtSent: Friday, 16 May 2008 5:51 PMTo: ConstellationTalk@
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.comSubject: RE:
[ConstellationTalk] reconciliation, a personal reflectionDear Chris,your reply
needed to be put aside for a little while,however to be answered
nevertheless.What comes to mind is our teacher Bert's question he putswhen
someone comments or queries after a constellation:"does this add to or take
away from what went on before"?Another question arises:Is Chris, the friend and
college of mineof quite some years commenting,or do I hear someone
impersonatinga headmaster praising his 'successful' studentin front of the
entire college?I do hope it is the former.I did indeed share the effectsof a
very personal constellation.It was certainly not on my mindto gain praise for
my "learning".It felt appropriate and a sign of mygratitude that this forum
existsfor me to report to CTalk.If there was any directional intention in my
wordsthen clearly towards the heart, not the intellect.MaxMelbourne, Australia>
Dear Max>>>> Thankyou for sharing this very personal moment in this forum.>> It
reminds me that we can grow and heal from any experience if we are open> to
it.>> It is a validation of constellation work when we can see it has opened
us> to> the learning>>>> hasta la vista>>>> Chris Walsh>>>> Melbourne,
Australia> webpage: www.cwalsh.com.au>>>> From: ConstellationTalk@
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@ ;
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Max
Dauskardt> Sent: Monday, 12 May 2008 1:02 PM> To: ConstellationTalk@
<mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>yahoogroups.com> Subject:
[ConstellationTalk] reconciliation, a personal reflection>>>> For the last two
weeks> the Australian multicultural TV station SBS> did screen "Dresden, the
Inferno"> a movie that dramatises the destruction of the city> in February
1945, intertwines the actual happenings> with an unlikely love story between a
German woman> and an English Bomber pilot who had escaped capture> by the
Germans after being shot down during a previous raid.>> Why bring this up on
CTAlk?> Well, some of you may remember previous posts of mine> in regards to my
coming to terms> with the German past 1933-45.> May this one be the last.>> The
effect, that movie had on me> feels like a break through> in keeping with our
work.>> Having been aware of a sense of shame and guilt> ever since the
historical truth dawned on me> I was filled with a passion to 'make up' for>
what my country people had done.>> For a long time this 'making up'> consisted
of nothing but feeling bad about being German> combined with a vague 'serves
them right' attitude> in regards to the collective punishment Germans took.>>
Time certainly helped a bit to ease that attitude> yet it was the involvement
with constellation work> and all the encounters that arose through it> -not in
the least this very forum-> that made a difference.>> Until watching the final
episode of "Dresden" however,> there was still something between> me and the
German past:> My inability to feel the pain of my people,> to grief with their
anguish and loss.>> I do feel all that now.>> Max>> Melbourne, Australia>> -->
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