There is a video where Rupert Sheldrake, Hunter Beaumont and Bert Hellinger
discuss some of these ideas - probably available from Carl Auer. There is
also a discussion between Hunter Beaumont and Ruper Sheldrake on morphic
resonance and the history of the word 'soul' in issue 2 of the Systemic
Solutions Bulletin.
Best wishes
Barbara Morgan
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From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Décio Fábio de
Oliveira Jr
Sent: 31 August 2005 13:49
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] scientific book abou knowing fields --
help!
Dear all,
I heard in köln that there is a book in german about scientific experiments
with the knowing fields, developed by a german doctor.
Has anyone an idea about the title and how could i get it?
A Would appreciate too much such help.
Best wishes to you from Brazil.
Decio
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From: "Jane Peterson" <humansystems@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Constellations with Soul AND Spirit
Hi Thomas,
If you want to learn about the latest developments in the field, you are in
luck. There is a conference in Portland, Oregon - just a quick flight up
north for you - with nearly 60 national and international presenters. Check
out our website at http://www.2005USConference.com
Thanks!
Jane Peterson
On 8/30/05 3:38 PM, "tmasthenes13" <TomBuoyed@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Greetings!
I'd like to introduce myself to the group. My name is Thomas Mellett;
I live in the LA area, in Van Nuys, and I have been deeply immersed
in the Hellinger work for the past year.
First, I'd like to honor several of the many practitioners and
facilitators I've worked with out here in the last year all of whom
have helped me so much to gain not just an introduction to the work,
but a heart-felt grounding in the process: Hans & Annika Gruenn,
Margot Ridler, Gabrielle Borkan, Heinz Stark, Helena Sprake, and
Captain America himself, Gary Stuart! Outside of LA, a month ago, I
spent one amazing week up in the Rocky Mountains with Tom Terrific
Daly doing daily constellations with 26 men at 8,000 feet in the
magic mountain wilderness of Sapphire Canyon near Estes Park,
Colorado.
Finally, I must honor my partner, Annalea, who took to this work like
a duck to water when I introduced her to it after we met 4 months
ago. Doing our own Constellations, healing rituals and reading
Hellinger books have become our daily spiritual practice and we are
now developing a healing process for couples which I would like to
describe and gain feedback from on at a later time this forum.
To continue my introduction, I am (Heinz) 57 years old, born and
raised Irish Catholic in New York City (looking out my tenement
window, I would gaze longingly on the Cloisters way up on the hilltop
of Fort Tryon Park.) Hence I resonate very well with Uncle Engel
Bert's priesthood and fully grok the rap on him as so "dogmatic and
Catholic!" (I mean, why does he have to look so damn genial all the
time and thus like a new benevolent German Pope?)
Having run many lapses as a Catholic after attending RPI, a secular
engineering college in upstate NY, my most memorable lapse was diving
into the anthroposophical ideas and work of Rudolf Steiner (1861-
1925) three decades ago. (I have most recently been a teacher at a
Waldorf school in Los Angeles where I taught high school physics and
math for the last two years.)
So with my background in science, Catholicism and anthroposophy
(BeJeezus then, how many of me beleagured ancestors must I be
carrying systemic water for?), I bring quite a squinty-arse
perspective to this Dago-Bert or is he Bertram Hellinger. (He's gotta
be some species of ...-Bert, right?)
My main concern is how does this incredibly healing SOUL work of
Engel-Bert Hellinger mesh with the perpendicular (i.e. independent)
SPIRIT work of Rudolf Steiner, et al., which posits re-embodiment,
Wiederverkoepferung, wherein the human SPIRIT plunges into a family
SOUL system with entanglements that may exist BEFORE entering the
present family system?
Now two months ago, during a lull between constellations in Pasadena,
I asked that Happy Hunk Heinz 57 Stark point blank (actually stark
blank!)about reincarnation. He answered in a curt pert Bert
manner: "we don't go there."
Wunderbar! I thought. Render to Caesar what is Caesar, etc. and I
respect keeping the two apart. After all, traditional Hellinger work
operates only along the horizontal axis of the Soul and must needs
ignore the vertical Spirit dimension.
But lately I have heard some scuttlebutt about Pope Bert that he has
either gone off the deep end into paranoia because of the severe and
hysterical opposition to him in the Fatherland or else has actively
embraced the self-evident reality of reincarnation and is slowly
incorporating such formerly rejected spiritual ideas into his soul
constellation work.
I don't know and I'm too new at this to judge. However, I did come
across his newest webpage, which he shares with his new wife Sophie.
http://www.hellingerschule.com
"Hellinger School" indeed! BeJeesuz Christ almighty, I'd love to go
to some kind of Hellinger School, any Hellinger school, but I feel
like I'm in a time warp because just about all the Hell-n-back-er
books and articles I've read are at least 5 years old. And this
movement is so alive that all the soul ground and boundaries are
shifting under my feet and I ain't talking the Big One in LA,
neither! I'm having earthquakes in the soul every damn constellation
I do or witness or represent. But then I'm finding that my soul
repairs itself after each quake. Imagine having self-repairing
earthquakes. (No fault earthquakes, anyone? Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk! (Latter
a reference to Curly of the 3 Stooges triple Amen)
Thus I'm hoping that y'all good people on this mailing list might be
able to get me updated as to the latest developments in this
burgeoning vocation to the healing arts.
So may I end this missive with a question inspired by Maria Sophie's
Spruchwort (proverb):
"Gehen mit dem Geist & Gehen mit der Seele".
"Go with the Spirit and go with the Soul."
Clearly there's a difference here, not to mention a "differance."
Might we open a discussion about what Pope Bert and now Sophie mean
by the Spirit and the Soul and how such insight into the differences
and similarities will inform the constellation work?
Thomas.
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