Rouqqia, Diane and Bill.
I have seen several constellations beautifully conducted by Stephan
Hausner on Multiple Sclerosis. One of the elements that was very often
if not always coming to surface was a very deep anger that the person
having the constellation was carrying. The anger of a grandmother who
could succeed professionally due to social pressure of being a perfect
wife , the anger of towards the parents' fate which had ruined some of
the family's expectations. And, as far as I can remember, no healing
could ever be reached. Most of the constellations about schizophrenia
were carrying the same murderer/victim "split" that Diane and Bill
mention. At the beginning of May, in Washington DC Bert has performed a
constellation about autism. He said that autism and schizophrenia are
all movements of love, autism is specifically a defense against a
murderous act. Illnesses are in the service of love and health.
Beautiful.
Love
Chiara
Dr. Chiara H. Megighian-Zenati
104 Hawthorne Rd
Pittsburgh, PA 15238
-----Original Message-----
From: William Mannle <billmag@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] what do brain malfunctions mean
systemically?
Diane and Rouqqia,
This thread is interesting. The bipolar diagnosis is the flavor of
the month these days especially among children and adolescents. It's
seems to be replacing ADHD. What I've seen in teens that are
diagnosed with bipolar is that there appears to be a split between
their loyalty to mom and dad. They don't know where to "land" or
focus their attention because at any given time either parent is
unavailable. From a larger systemic view this may fit with murder in
the past. which mom and or dad maybe identified with. Fascinating.
All the best,
Bill Mannle
On Jun 2, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Diane Yankelevitz wrote:
Rouqqia,
I am wondering about the label 'brain diseases' but I'll leave that to
others to comment on. Schizophrenia and bipolar seem to be caused
systemically by a murder in the family's past. The person
identifies with
both the murderer and the victim, and splits mentally. There was a
workshop
that Bert did in Santa Barbara on the subject of mental illness
that is
available on either tape or DVD from
http://www.essentialsolutions.info/pubs.htm and you might also want
to read
Bert's book 'Farewell - family constellations with descendants of
victims
and perpetrators'.
Diane Yankelevitz
diane@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
406-586-2376
www.WisdomHealing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rouqqia
hussain
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:22 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] what do brain malfunctions mean
systemically?
In response to your email Joallyn, where you talk about the roots
of heavy
diseases being in the person already, what's the systemic basis for
Multiple
Sclerosis?
I've heard that like other brain diseases, eg schizophrenia, epilepsy,
psychosis; it's about trying to avert murder by disabling
oneself....Bert
did a workshop in America about this a while back.
Rouqqia
From: "annieblockpearl" <annieblock@xxxxxxx>
Reply-To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Re: lingering transference issues
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:36:28 -0000
Dear Dan, Diane, Joseph, Kenn, Gail, Chiara, Max, Joallyn, etc.
Thank you for your thoughtful posts on this topic. You have provided
much food for thought and much impetus for continued personal
exploration.
Joallyn, I heartily agree with you, that follow-up support should be
available for these delicate responses. I suspect that Bert would say
that the individuals' own soul will provide what is necessary but I,
as a therapist, feel the responsibility to hold the space for
continued work, if desired or necessary.
This personal experience has been a demonstration of the profundity
and healing qualities of this work.
In awe and humility I offer you love and blessings,
Annie
www.annieblockpearl.com
--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, joallyn dawirs
<j.dawirs@...> wrote:
Dear Annie,
From my experience, this phenomenon can cause big problems in some
people.
Even if I achieved my formation some years ago, I continue to work
exclusively in individual sessions, sometimes with all family
members. Why?
Because, since the beginning I assist to those issues. Too many
people come
to me having taken from other people when being representants.
Going to
extremly havy diseases. For my self, I think that the roots of the
disease
are in the person self but that the disease was activated through
the work
in the constellations...
Many of the people seem to have spoken those sentences to give back
to the
person concerned. One constallator can not be too attentive to the
people
who come to him/her. And it takes time to control the people for not
taking
home something that doesn't belong to them.
Sai Baba has proposed a solution to constellors.... a solution that
works.
Kind regards
Joallyn Dawirs
De : "annieblockpearl" <annieblock@...>
Répondre à : ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date : Sun, 27 May 2007 20:44:37 -0000
À : ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Objet : [ConstellationTalk] lingering transference issues
Dear colleagues,
As a constellator in New York City I have observed a phenomenon both
within myself and some participants in my groups. I'd appreciate any
comments you may have concerning lingering transference issues.
My initial training as a facilitator was completed five years ago.
Despite initial clearing exercises and the passage of time,I still
retain strong feelings for those group members who represented in my
personal constellations. These feelings persist despite my real-life
knowledge and continued exposure to these people.Participants in my
group have experienced the same phenomenon resulting from powerful
personal work, despite the clearing exercises and cautions that I
offer in our workshops.
I haven't experienced these transferences as a problem, but it
certainly is something of which to be mindful.
Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions?
Annie Block Pearl, M.S.
Integrative Therapy
Systemic, Structural and Family Constellations
ordained Interfaith Minister
www.annieblockpearl.com
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