Thank you very much for this research and option
I am IN and willing to keep alive this meaningful and rich conversation group.
I really learned a lot
Thank u Daniel, Tom, Chris, Barbara, Roxanne, Siegfried, Victoria, Elmar,
Eimear, and many others
Love
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 3:16 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] yahoo groups shutdown December 15: Adios Amigos
I'm the meantime I will continue to work with Daniel G to test the venues and
report back
Warm Regards,
Tommy Tran
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 7:02 PM Tommy Waikiki
<tommyvacation@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:tommyvacation@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Hi Chris,
Freelists is completely free, on Linux, Apache server, it's been around for 20
years, they say there will be no adds, ever. No limit on number of users, or
bandwidth.
I had already registered ConstellationTalk on freelists a few hours after your
first post not realizing now
that you are looking for more candidates to be the moderator.
Therefore, I would like to volunteer this venue on freelists for your choosing
either for Daniel lr to whoever else of your choosing.
I also have reserved the same name on the following:
Google Groups
Groups.io
Facebook Groups
Facebook
Please feel free to use them and if you would consider my request...
Please stay
Warm Regards,
Tommy Tran
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 6:27 PM Chris Walsh
chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
That looks good Daniel
Has anyone here had experience with free lists and does anyone know whether
they bombard people with advertising or have any other nasty hidden gremlins?
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9420 1425
www.mindfulness..org.au<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.mindfulness.org.au/__;!!DOxrgLBm!T5nyYidp3qhijGdKsOJNyiyexEteh8G2pjAK9uzk6agecay9bRBJxGgSKXByeyBdm59AQM0$>
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 11:58 AM Daniel Gackle
danielgackle@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:danielgackle@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
I heard back from the FreeLists people. Not only can they import the archives,
they already have software prepared to migrate Yahoo Groups into their system
(https://www.freelists.org/wiki/doku.php?id=migrating_from_other_services<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.freelists.org/wiki/doku.php?id=migrating_from_other_services__;!!DOxrgLBm!T5nyYidp3qhijGdKsOJNyiyexEteh8G2pjAK9uzk6agecay9bRBJxGgSKXByeyBdBaF5J-o$>).
They said that if we run their script to download the content from Yahoo, they
will do the rest.
They will also take care of migrating the existing subscribers, which would
mean an easy transition for most of the group.
Not only that, but they only took a few minutes to answer my email, and did so
personally.. That is an unusually good sign.
I will try my hand at running their script to see if it actually does download
the ConstellationTalk archives from Yahoo.. I'll then report back to the group.
This may take me a few days.
Daniel
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 4:40 PM Daniel Gackle
<danielgackle@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:danielgackle@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Greetings all,
ConstellationTalk and its archive are one of the treasures of the work in the
English-speaking world. I hope that it can continue, along with its rich
archive.
I haven't posted to CT before. I'm a constellation facilitator and a loyal
reader and, like all of you here, I love constellation work.. In my day job, I
work in the tech industry and operate an internet forum with about 5 million
users.
I agree with Mishra and others that CT will do much better to continue as an
email list. Many members, including some of our esteemed elders, do not have
accounts on Facebook, Nextdoor, or other platforms. We will lose them if we try
to make such a switch. There are many other problems with these platforms too,
but perhaps that's for another discussion.
For email lists, Google Groups and Groups.io are options. Another one that
looks excellent and has a fine community spirit is
https://www.freelists..org/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.freelists.org/__;!!DOxrgLBm!T5nyYidp3qhijGdKsOJNyiyexEteh8G2pjAK9uzk6agecay9bRBJxGgSKXByeyBdlSBO0Xg$>.
The question is whether any of these providers could also integrate the
previous history of ConstellationTalk (all 18 years' worth of emails!). I've
emailed both Groups.io and FreeLists to ask them this. (Google is too big to
ask..)
Chris, you mentioned "migration to
groups.io<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/groups.io__;!!DOxrgLBm!T5nyYidp3qhijGdKsOJNyiyexEteh8G2pjAK9uzk6agecay9bRBJxGgSKXByeyBd-m5c07k$>
appears to be a very tedious process. If someone else is willing and able to
shepherd that process that would be good but I understand there is a queue and
it would have to start soon." Did you hear this from Groups..io? and could you
say what you understand the migration process to be?
I will be happy to pay someone who wants to do the "shepherding", if we can
find a way to do it. We may also have the option to first 'reboot' CT on one of
these other email list providers, and then deal with the migration later, as
long as a download of the archive exists.
Thank you Chris for your magnificent work in this community. Thank you Barbara
M. for offering The Knowing Field as a home—and what a wonderful one—for this
valuable material.
Daniel Gackle
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:50 PM Chris Walsh
chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Useful and practical points about the various platforms Mishra
I can add that migration to groups io appears to be a very tedious process. If
somone else is willing ang able to shepherd that process that would be good but
I understand there is a queue and it would have to start soon.
That aside it sounds like google groups might be the best option
Cheers
Chris Walsh
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 at 1:20 am, S Mishra Suloway
mishra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:mishra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hello All
My thanks as well to Chris, and all of you whose sharings and attention have
made the list so valuable since I joined in 2005.
Looking to the future:
I do hope C-Talk doesn’t migrate to Nextdoor.
I’ve used Nextdoor for years to stay in touch with my physical neighborhood,
which is what the platform is designed for; one chooses which tiny geographical
areas one wishes to broadcast to and receive from.
Nextdoor is full of ads, even more than Facebook. Both those platforms are more
about serving ads than serving information.
And I have ethical objections to Facebook’s content standards and practices, so
I also hope we don’t go to Facebook.
I am on a different list (Copyediting-L) which recently migrated to
*Groups.......io* — another of the platforms recommended by Yahoo.
That list remains purely about the subject content, as we have been accustomed
to on C-Talk at Yahoo all these years.
I have no experience with Google Groups, but I have found several other Google
services to be purely about content — aside from bringing you into the Google
ecosystem, where the commercial hook is not directly based on advertising.
Special thanks to those who are contemplating the work of migrating and
managing for the future!
Regards,
Mishra Suloway
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
S Mishra Suloway
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
On Oct 24, 2020, at 3:29, Tommy Waikiki
tommyvacation@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:tommyvacation@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hi Chris,
I'd like to ask for your consent for me to move Constellation Talk from Yahoo
groups to Nextdoor (as suggested by Yahoo groups.)
I am touched by your earnest decision to let go and by welcoming someone else
to take over.
I take it as a selfless act of gifting: giving without asking anything in
return.
In return, without any future obligation or responsibility of your part, I
take it with my own implied obligation
to continue it as it is.
ConstellationTalk is on Nextdoor but the rules which you have developed and
improved over the years will
stay the same as they are.
We now have 2 more members join me, Daniel G. and Anni M. (and more as
needed) to complete the task.
We are duly following the Spiritual Family Constellation tradition;
You are first, we are second.
Constellation Talk will continue to make you proud.
We ask you to smile kindly upon us as we carry on and in due time be a little
better.
Warm Regards,
Tommy Tran
My task is to reduce entropy,
do away with fear
to become love.
