--- In ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, angelika schenk
<angelika.schenk@...> wrote:
Psychoanalysis.
Dear Meera,
amongst many other trainings, Beet also has a training in
unhealed
One simple way of describing the difference could be:
Ghosts are fragments of the dead, the part that is perhaps still
and often willing to let us know something. Ancestors are realpeople,
though on the other side that we cannot only know about, butcommunicate
with directly and feel directly loved by.talking
What Bert showed us is the difference between a vague sense, or
about some vague entity, and direct relationship.once we
So what might present as a ghost, can easily turn into an ancestor,
begin to communicate with them. Communication is a two way process.That
means we address them, and we address them with respect and kindness,and if
we are frightened or uncertain, also with that honesty. And we alsowait for
a reply, and gently keep the communication going, to build up mutualtrust.
Amazing things can happen from there.can
Such process of communication is sometimes achieved quickly, but it
also take week of patient and gentle perseverance where the so calledghosts
still feel they may not be wanted or accepted by the living. Theprocess
will flow when the dead feel our goodwill and an attitude of nojudgment.
look at
Individuation, as Bert showed us is rather different to what other
psychologies tell us.Entanglement happens because we do not really
the others, but subconsciously carry something of theirs, but it canalso be
from our own past life, and again then there are ancestors as well.to
So individuation in Bert's sense means rather that we have many people
relate to, to love, to exchange with, so that we feel rich insidebecause
many people who vary greatly live in our hearts.Freud talks aboutprocess,
internalization as an essential part of completion in any grieving
and internalization in this sense means the same as taking into ourheart and
keeping it, or rather her or him there, all the more so if thesepeople are
already on the other side.called
Through constellations we get to experience the growth that can be
individuation when we take all of our ancestors into our heart, andall
those who had dealings with our ancestors, especially all the excludedmore at
people. Individuation then means becoming more whole more inclusive,
peace with all the roles different people have to fill with life.and
Behind what we may call patterning lie real events that have shaped us
our ancestors. Real events of a traumatic nature leave us withstrategies of
coping, and even later generations will repeat these strategies, eventhough
they may in fact not be helpful. Prejudices are for instance thisnature,
for instance. Originally something happened where members of one groupcause may
harmed members of another, so perhaps all the offspring learn to avoid
members of the group that harmed them, and in the end the original
not be known to the descendents, but the feelings are still there. Soeven
from these feelings we can reconstruct the painful events, and thenand
there reconciliation can be encouraged. Once that is successfullycompleted,
the feelings can dissolve, and a new beginning can be made.have
From Bert we learn that feelings, behaviours, symptoms of all kinds
their origin in real interactions of a painful nature, between realpeople.
person
One of the problems with individual therapies is that the problem a
has may not be that person's problem but something the personcarries,
without understanding what it is all about. So no amount of individualtherapy
will arrive at the cause where it can be healed and therefore laid torest.
various
Of course there are many useful practices for individuals, such as
meditations. We can tell by their effect on the individuals howhelpful they
are.dealing
When the loss of someone we loved very much, grieving is one way of
with it that is necessary, but another aspect is that we claim ourlove and
connection with this person beyond death, for in the end we get to seethat
love cannot get lost, only buried. Constellations help un-bury love,so that
we get to feel in a very relationship way that the dead are still inloving
connection with us.depth.
At least, this is my experience, and it is still growing in scope and
Constellations do not give us fixed ideas or concepts, but they giveus our
own meaningful experiences of love far beyond our earthly round.goal
all the best,
Angelika
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Meera Finnigan
meera.finnigan@...wrote:
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I understand that psychoanalyst Hans Loewald (1906-1993) said that a
me thatof psychoanalysis is for "ghosts to become ancestors". It seems to
freedom fromhe is referring to a process of individuation of some kind, a
withentanglements within family relationships. So far, my involvement
takeFamily Constellation indicates that a similar process can and does
but as aplace within the work.
Psychoanalysis takes years of course and it has articulated goals
and ofmember of this forum and a reader of Bert and others I am aware that
Constellation practitioners have an openness to the 'knowing field'
phenomenologicalallowing the emergence and manifestations of certain
aboutprocesses. However, I would be really interested to hear from others
when Iwhat is needed for our ghosts to become ancestors.
On a personal note, I have grieved for my deceased father who died
healingwas 14 years old and even though I have undergone much therapy and
andtechniques over the years, at 62 years I am not free of a painful
in thetraumatic childhood. Like many of our clients, I am at times caught
ourgrip of the patterning of the past.
There are often very insightful and helpful comments from people in
Thank you for such a generous and interesting reply. I will read yourforum and I would appreciate any contributions to this topic.Dear Angelika
